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No further talks on Abyei and Heglig to be discussed with Sudan, Pagan says

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October 2, 2012 (JUBA/KHARTOUM) - South Sudan said it would not hold further talks with Sudan on the disputed area of Abyei and vowed to discuss the fate of Heglig/Panthou in a bid to calm the growing discontent over the outcome of Addis Ababa talks.

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South Sudan chief negotaitor Pagan Amum (Reuters)

The two countries’ presidents, Omer Al-Bashir and Salva Kiir, on 27 September, have sealed a package of cooperation agreements in the Ethiopian capital, Addis Ababa, on oil, freedom of movement, trade and security on their common borders.

The agreements provided for creation of a temporary buffer zone between the perceived borderlines while the two parties will continue to discuss on Abyei referendum and their permanent borders as they failed to reach an agreement over the disputed areas including 14 Miles.

In a speech broadcast by South Sudan Television during a meeting of the Jakany Youth leadership council at Nyakuron Culture Centre on Monday evening in Juba, South Sudan chief negotiator Pagan Amum announced that his delegation would hold no further talks on Abyei with Sudan.

"The issue of Abyei is a finished case. There will be no more discussions. On our side as the government, we accepted the proposal by the mediators. President Salva Kiir Mayardit never hesitated but Sudan refused it”, Pagan Amum, he said.

"As of now, there are only two issues. The issue of border demarcation and the issue of claimed and contested areas. These will be discussed in the next round of talks. We will engage Sudanese delegation so that we reach final agreement," Amum said.

He underscored that Heglig/Panthou had not been conceded to Sudan and it is one of the issues which the two sides would discuss in the next round of negotiation.

"Panthou [Heglig] is one of the claimed and contested areas whose status has not been resolved. If we cannot reach an agreement, we will go for arbitration," Amum said.
The two countries are expected to resume discussions over remaining issues within a month to finalise negotiations before mediation team submit a report to the African Union Peace and Security Council.

On Abyei, the two countries said committed to implement a protocol providing to hold a referendum to determine if the disputed area will remain in Sudan or join the new independent state of South Sudan.

However, the two parties failed to agree on the participation of the Misseriya pastoralists. While Juba says only Misseriya who resident permanently can vote, Khartoum raise the historical right of the nomads who claim the ownership of the area before the Ngok Dinka.

The mediation recently made a proposal supporting the position of South Sudanese government on the eligibility of Misseriya and called to hold a referendum in October2013. The proposition also asks Juba to give 20% of Abyei oil revenue to the South Kordofan state of Sudan to develop the area where the pastoralists remain during the rest of the year.

Juba immediately accepted the mediation’s proposal and as expected Khartoum rejected it and reiterated its adherence to a previous plan the mediation proposed in November 2010 calling to divide the region if Juba rejects the participation of the nomads who reside for 185 days during the year.

SOUTH SUDAN PARLIAMENT TO ENDORSE THE AGREEMENTS

Lawmakers in the South Sudan’s national legislature are recalled from their recess to reconvene and ratify the Addis Ababa’s agreement with Sudan as opposition against the agreement gains momentum.

The MPs were supposed to remain on recess for three months from last month but because of the urgency of the situation they are asked to report themselves to Juba and convene an urgent sitting in order to ratify the agreement.

Members of the national legislature have also publicly expressed their dissatisfaction with the agreement, particularly on the borders and relationship between the two central banks of Sudan and South Sudan.

The governor of Northern Bahr el Ghazal state, Paul Malong Awan, was the first senior official to publicly express his opposition to the creation of the buffer zone which annexes 14 Miles to Sudan from his state.

Malong publicly announced in Juba on Saturday that he will make sure that the border agreement is not implemented in his presence.

The governor was echoed by a number of chiefs and intellectuals from the state who also described it a bad deal.

SUDAN REFUSES PAGAN STATEMENTS ON HEGLIG

In Khartoum the deals also are received with dissatisfaction by the Misseriya and Reizagat of 14 Miles. Also a far-right party, the Just Peace Forum (JPF) seeks to capitalize on the discontent.

JPF’s daily newspaper Al-Intibaha was the only one to publish Pagan’s statements on Heglig to support its positions hostile to any rapprochement with South Sudan.

The National Congress Party (NCP) quickly rejected Pagan’s statements on Heglig saying that no further region would be added to the list of disputed areas in the talks between the two countries.

Head of NCP organisation sector Hamed Sidiq said that the talks will only concern five disputed areas agreed by the two parties and Heglig will not be among it.

He went further to reaffirm that any other statements are "worthless and baseless".

The African mediation did not accept to include Heglig in the list of disputed areas when the two parties started the talks under Resolution 2046.

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  • 3 October 2012 08:46, by Dinka Dominated SPLA/M

    Mr LT Gen Amum as I am a member of technical committee, We all want progress, but if you’re on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in these case, those who turns back soonest is the most progressive person we have to work hard in order to a achieved what we were fighting for. There is no more talk about Abyei until the referendum is conducted.

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    • 3 October 2012 08:50, by Dinka Dominated SPLA/M

      Even though I am not happy with deal, So many rumour are go on around in Khartoum that they got us but they don’t, simply they do not read English but Arabic where they put some nonsense that make them happy, but they will never take any inch of our land

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      • 3 October 2012 08:52, by Northern Sudanese

        Dinka Dominated SPLA/M
        then where were you when we took over abyei? where were you when we took over kafia kingi? you can kkeep dreaming, its your right

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      • 3 October 2012 09:50, by Mi diit

        Unfortunately from the way I see the situation it looks as if there is going to be a border war as prophesied by the African prophet Ngundeng. With ballot or bullet South Sudan shall be free. We freed the interior part of South Sudan with ballot but the borders may be demarcated with bullet. The trend looks clearer every day.

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      • 3 October 2012 10:28, by viper

        Foolish Dinka Dominated SPLM, Are you a technical member of what? Technical member just to serve those negotiators with western drinks to the extend of letting those negotiators sign that fake agreement or what? Don,t u know that u r so much valueless than my slippery? Have u stopped being a weekend drunkard? Shame on u uncivilized boy

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        • 3 October 2012 11:32, by Dinka Dominated SPLA/M

          Silly liar called viper,
          Your whole poor family can feed on left over from me,
          I don’t drink alcohol something that a liar like you will be shock,
          A street child like you watch wrestling is not compared to a well educated civilized son of well known man like me , there are some valuable families in south Sudan and if you have to know them, than you will be shock to know my family is the first

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          • 3 October 2012 15:25, by viper

            Really DinkaDominated SPLM? Really? Are u an educated person? Have u once sat in a classroom to learn the English grammar? Really? I can see that ur English can speak for itself. It can tell the truth about u. It is full of grammatical errors. This indicates that u learn this English on the streets. Ur family is that poor one in S. Sudan

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            • 3 October 2012 15:35, by viper

              Look how backwarded person u are. There is nothing called valuable family in the Dictionary of English and in the language of Humanity. U better talk of rich family and the classes that are there with rich families. U are really a non civilized kid and iam sure u got ur little writting skills under trees where there was nothing called respect. U r a shame to Dinka as a community with ur shameful n

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    • 3 October 2012 08:51, by Northern Sudanese

      Dinka Dominated SPLA/M
      let me remind you, the proposal was rejected and talks on it will continue in a few days time! just incase you don’t make yourself look like a fool

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      • 3 October 2012 15:45, by South South

        Nothern Sudanese dumb,
        The only people who fuck up themselves are Fake Arab Muslims when they pray 5 times a day. Do not forget ( GATHA JAMAR). Tell us what do you do when you do GATHA JAMAR. Gay people who fuck themselves 5 times day. South Sudan is moving ahead and will take every piece of the land belong to it. GATHA JAMAR

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    • 3 October 2012 08:59, by Dinkawarrior

      " Two Presidents Sealed a package of cooperation agreements on oil, freedom of movement, trade and security on their common borders"
      While the Ngok Dinka of Abyei had been excluded! Shame on you Amum with your boss the Dinka-Cowboy. There is no sealing deal without Abyei my friend if you were briefing by President Homo-Al Bashit then you’re on the wrong sides of history. Shame on Thieves!!

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      • 3 October 2012 09:05, by Dinkawarrior

        There is no sealing deal without Abyei my friend if you were bribing by President Homo-Al Bashit then you’re on the wrong sides of history. Shame on Thieves!!

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        • 3 October 2012 09:08, by Northern Sudanese

          Dinkawarrior
          well bad luck for you then, no signing of deals you will be fucked! your a homo asylum seeker anyway so your ideas aren’t changing anything on the field. call bashir a thieve when your own master took away 4 bilion , oh wait you are outside the region lol

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          • 3 October 2012 09:24, by Dinka Dominated SPLA/M

            Fake north Sudanese. I’m not upset that you lied to me; I’m upset that from now on I can’t believe you because you blind loyalist in the north Sudan think that a liar can gains a victory over his victim. What I’ve learned is that a lie is an act of self-abdication, something that will take Mahmud his lying life style to abandon it, you can shit yourself but the reality is that nobody reject the

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            • 3 October 2012 09:26, by Dinka Dominated SPLA/M

              case of Pan thou at the first place, either north gangs or mediators, like it or not we will claim it either by war or cheap negotiation the choice is between two of us,
              stop lying it wouldn’t help you to grab our land.

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      • 3 October 2012 09:10, by Northern Sudanese

        Dinkawarrior
        homo bashir is planning to feed your people by selling food and lowering food prices in south, appreciate it!

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  • 3 October 2012 08:49, by Northern Sudanese

    arbitration? you can go as far as fucking up yourself, heglig is sudanese and won’t be part of the newly independent crap hole! there will be no talks on it!

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    • 3 October 2012 09:13, by Dinkawarrior

      Whoever want to benefiting from Abyei issues will be a loser in life, simply because our Ngok Dinka children couldn’t be used for personal political purposes. I hope you might have another deal than this crap information!!

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  • 3 October 2012 08:52, by Jalaby

    HAHAHAHAHAHA, Funny!
    Let him lies to his people about Heglig, why UNSC condemned you then and threatened you of punishment at that time when you occupied it and UN Secretary "ordered" Kiir to withdraw without any condition?

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    • 3 October 2012 09:00, by Jalaby

      I think thieves should complain us to a different UNSC perhaps in other planet than earth since UNSC in the earth knows one fact that Heglig is part of Sudan! LOL
      Go and drink "Marisa" man, no one will waste 1 minute with you thieves talking about Heglig!
      Continue to find fake justifications to convince your people why you didn’t negotiate Heglig and killed them in there!

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      • 3 October 2012 09:13, by DeltaBravo

        TO JALLABA
        BITCH SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU ARE NOT MAKING ANY SENSE AT ALL. GO AND WASH YOUR ANUS, SO THAT BASHIRE WILL FUCK YOU WITH YOUR STUPID JALLABIA. I ONLY REGRETE WHY WE USED TO KEPT THE POW DURING THE CIVIL WAR.

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        • 3 October 2012 09:23, by Northern Sudanese

          his words don’t make sense to people who can’t read or write, no wonder 80% of south sudanese can’t read or write and why most of you people don’t reach high school!
          why are you so happy with those 200 pows that you got from the 25 years of war? we got even more pows from pushing you back to the ugandan border! btw is your pussy ready for kiir?

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          • 3 October 2012 09:38, by Dinka Dominated SPLA/M

            You have typical colours, I remembered you saying that Bashir was an Ethiopian man who grab your country by force, why are you in his favour right now? Or did he bribe you with money that turned you away from telling his wicked ruling? Talking about education, you will be south Sudanese bitch soon imagine people who fought with nonstop war and still retained high profile in worldwide recognition

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            • 3 October 2012 09:40, by Dinka Dominated SPLA/M

              recognition with Drs Prof ENg and many more compare to dedicative gangs who live good life but still useless in thinking capability. if we are not your donor, why do you accepted our aids to you?
              Shame be upond fake Arab of Sudan.

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          • 3 October 2012 09:43, by Junta

            Northern Sudanes (The Thief)
            Whether 80% of South Sudanese are iliterate or not, it does not matter! The fact remains, you Northern Arab Wanabe are thugs hidding using Islam as a tool to manipulate the whole world. You will never distract the whole world from establishing who are the true owners of the disputed and claim areas. The answer is 100% these areas belong to South Sudan Period!!

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          • 3 October 2012 09:44, by DeltaBravo

            AHAHAHAHAH THAT IS FUNNY, DURING THE WAR WE CAPTURED 3000 POW. WE DEFEATED MOHAMMED OGEL AT ASHAW RIVER AND BEYOND, SAF WERE RUNNING LIKE GHAZAL. WE CLEAN UGANDAN BORDER ALL THE WAY IN 04-1997. YEI AND KAYA WERE ONE OF THEM BIG LOST TO SAF IN AND BASHIRE CAME AND OVER IN MID AIR, THEN HE WENT BACK TO KHAROUT AND SAID HE CAPTURED YEI AHAHAHAH

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          • 3 October 2012 09:53, by DeltaBravo

            WE TEACHED SAF SO MANY GOOD LESSON EXAMPLE LANYA WEST AND EAST. I DON’T THINK THOSE 3000 POW WILL JOIN THE SAF ANYMORE. THEY KNOW WHO ARE THE REAL MEN IN SUDAN. SPLA SPLA SPLA ALL THE WAY AND YOU KNOW THEY ARE THERE IN THE NORTH TO FUCK YOU UP PROPERLY. NOT TO MENTION SRF IS READY AND AVAILABLE. WATCH OUT HOMO MAN

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            • 3 October 2012 15:31, by mohammed ali

              Delta, I dont want to argue with about presumed victories, you can claim whatever you want. Now, SPLA is big bellies, air-coditioned 4-wheel vehicle, air coditioned villa,imported liquer, mansion abroad, big fat foreign account and grand theft.Nobody in SS will fight for them or with them.The opressed pple wil fight against the SPLA, smaller tribes will find their chance to take their revenge.

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        • 3 October 2012 13:18, by Jalaby

          DeltaBravo,
          LOOOOOOOL, it looks like you completely lost your attitude after reading my hot words!
          I know it is much hotter than red spicy pepper in your ass and giving you hard time in the bathroom! LOL
          Well, I’ve much hotter words than these, please have your ass ready for the coming painful words ever! LOL

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      • 3 October 2012 09:35, by Junta

        Jallabi
        The if Jallabi and the likes!Controlling Panthou/Higlig and Kafia Kingi does not prove the ownership of these lands but simply proves that you are a thief-robber and terrorist.Can you prove that these were Arab land since creation? You are associating Islam with looting by claiming those areas by force yet they are not Sudan Land.

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    • 3 October 2012 10:45, by Peacocktail

      Jallaba, North Sudan is Al Qaeda Zone, SRF shall free U all........please accept them now and over throw NCP regim
      What ever it take, Abyei and Panthou are South Sudan territorial or Dinka Land and shall never be annex to Foolish arab Land.Hon.Pagan had made the point of no share areas.No Inch shall be given to North Sudan.if come the force, SPLA is committed in in safeguarding Border of South

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  • 3 October 2012 09:46, by sudinka

    Pathou is the part of south sudan and i will not talk about those area ,

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  • 3 October 2012 09:54, by markuonliel

    TO HIS HONOURABLE PAGAN
    WHY IS HEGLIG CONSIDERED NOT DISPUTED AREA. IS IT ON WHICH SIDE?

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  • 3 October 2012 10:07, by Tribe

    Pouring an oil on the top of water container and call it a whole is what’s NCP is doing with its masses. They’re being fool under the expense of regime overstay.They can’t discern how we’re luring them to our den and readily would grab them by the ball.It’s their final castration in the making.Mark my words Arab commentators on this forum.2 yrs is the time-frame.

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  • 3 October 2012 10:07, by Frank Man

    This is Great Mr Pagan. However our experiences with you and Kirr is that you two do not keep to your words. Today you say one thing and tomorrow you say exactly the opposite. In Heglig Kirr said the SPLA Forces will not withdraw, and a few days later he ordered for a withdrawal. This costed the lives of many SPLA.You re saying no negotation on Abyei, What will you say tomoro?? Act to your words

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    • 3 October 2012 10:40, by Dinkawarrior

      Northern Sudanese!
      Although most of the Northerners are sick for our Oil, your behaviors can tell that your mind has such of altered mental status! How would you tell me"Homo-bashit is planning to feed your people by selling food and lowering food prices in south" Are you not feeling shame for yourslef? Whole N. Sudan is crying everyday here on board for their economic while lying to to feed us??

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  • 3 October 2012 10:41, by viper

    This fake deal shows how simple and uninformed the negotiators of S. Sudan were. They were being cheated by those of Idris Abdelgadir and due to their hungry with oil flow, they started signing everything to the extent of forsaking Panthou not to be included in the contested areas, what a shame on those negotiators ? They say that some of them have never graduated from Universities

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    • 3 October 2012 10:50, by viper

      This unstudied agreement shows that our negotiators are very weak in terms of Negotiation. They have never even been introduced to the art of negotiation. What they have done now is not a solution to the problem but they have stored the problem for the coming generations and this indicates that the negotiators were very weak and lack vision and non Patriotic, just in need of oil money

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      • 3 October 2012 11:44, by Dinka Dominated SPLA/M

        You are still lying here liar viper,
        What have your lying achieve lately? You are nothing in this country of mind to contribute tangible words apart from back stabbing you foolish uneducated liar idiot on the net, no one take what you say seriously because, all are rubbish,
        So why don’t you just shut the hell up and let the really people do the talking? (gatwich) aka silly liar kid viper,

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        • 3 October 2012 15:43, by viper

          Just because u don,t know me has given u the right to say anything against me. If there are those whose words are rubbish on this web, then u are the first one. Every S. Sudanese has known how useless is ur personality. I told u earlier that I don,t lie. I use to talk with wise pple, not with fools like u

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  • 3 October 2012 10:56, by Tribe

    The only common denominator and solution to our border,security and oil issue is to support the SPLA-N and the Darfurians squarely.Our tradeoff here will be to the unseated the regime and a create a viable state called " Republic of Central Sudan ( ROCS)" or "Mid-Sudan" which will be a harmonious buffer-zone between us and Khartoum.It will be up to them to either enacted themselves to Egypt.

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  • 3 October 2012 11:19, by mohammed ali

    Let uus give Peace a chance.None of you is going to fight any war in S or SS. Millions on the bordef dont have luxury of fighting a war on the internet.They fight it unwillingly with their blood & childrens.Let us make any economic befit for is also an economic beifit for the other , peace as well. We can do that with love and war and hate.

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    • 3 October 2012 11:52, by mohammed ali

      correction: We can do that with love and not with hate & war!

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    • 3 October 2012 13:23, by Junta

      Dear Mohammad Alli
      Economic benefit and ties comes at the cost of truth! If you the Arab Wanabe want to benefit from good neighbourliness and peaceful coe-existence, then you have to snicerely give up false claims on Abyei, KafieKingi, 14 Miles and all the disputed and claim areas because these are all South Sudanese Lands!! Nothing less , Nothing More!!!

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    • 3 October 2012 15:28, by zulu

      Mohamed,\
      Stop patronizing and self pitty dude. Sudan is a hostile nation ruled by a hostile regime. Considering discussions on the border is not even worth it. we take what belongs to us as Garang used to say.

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  • 3 October 2012 13:31, by NO PEACE

    Pagan Amom please go a head you got the idea of your people and what i know coming 2014 you are going to be VP of south sudan and Riek Machar will be president of south sudan.

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  • 3 October 2012 13:36, by NO PEACE

    people of south sudan, i think its good thAT pagan will be the VP Coming 2014?

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    • 3 October 2012 15:08, by Genuine Leader

      Dear mr. Pagan Amum stop blindfold your own people brother, after you grantee some millions in your pocket after oil deal . what will be new if mediation refused annexed Heglig to contested areas in first round talks and your negotiation team you led influenced by both AUHIP and NCP convinced/accepted you for proposal in Addisababa till your president sealed an agreement. is it not shame on you .

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  • 3 October 2012 14:57, by rock

    The history has repeat itself and I can say 1947 Juba conference between Southern Sudanese Chiefs, and Khartoum intellectual was better then this New SPLM team under Salva Kiir which is weak. New SPLM will do nothing but to make themselves rich in expense of South Sudanese.How can they rush for oil, border trade and 4 freedom deals rather than to tackle border demarcation.cont....

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    • 3 October 2012 15:10, by rock

      Therefore it show that their greediness drive them then National interest. so my message to all South Sudanese, it us to stand our ground and defense this land because this New SPLM is group of coward and greedy.cont..

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    • 3 October 2012 15:22, by mohammed ali

      Junt,Rock, others, who is going to come down and fight a war?! None of you will leave his asylum country and fight any war.People are tired of wars, fed up with your empty rehtoric and want to live & prosper in peace, just or even much less than the life you are living in your asylum.Cool down, nobody of you can come & live in the bush for 5 minutes.Be honest with yourselves!

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      • 3 October 2012 15:36, by rock

        Ali during war none told me to fight your racist government in Khartoum and I can`t pretend to be what am not.
        right now am in South Sudan and am proud of being South Sudanese.

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      • 3 October 2012 16:09, by Junta

        Mohaamad Alli
        Evading truth is not only delusional but also hypocritical! Why don’t you admit the fact the your compatriot Arab Wanabe are the very thugs falsely claiming and grubing our lands (All disputed and claimed areas). I am a South Sudanese, I live and work in South Sudan and a descendant of those who fought your oppressive regimes since 1947.Peace comes when you give up your false claims.

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  • 3 October 2012 15:23, by rock

    To all South Sudanese commentators, according to 1956 borderline nothing is call disputed area except Abyei of which her residence were given choice where to go through referendum but south Sudan team can`t even differential between disputed area and south Sudan areas under guideline of 1956 borderline.we are negotiating with Khartoum team while they are within South Sudan territory ...

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  • 3 October 2012 17:27, by Kim Deng

    Coward Slava,
    What do you think when Panthow/Malow-Raar, Abyei, 14 miles... are not negatiatable? The Mighty South Sudan army has been there to get the job done, but you failed them miserably since you’re coward and idiot at the same time.
    Shame on you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • 4 October 2012 05:58, by Nguetbuny de Luelpiny

      where does that Kim Deng get name Maalou-Raar
      Nuer food lovers, claiming Malou Raar of Aliny/Panthou will not do you better. Malou Raar is in East UpperNile between Lony Deng Ayuel Raom.

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    • 4 October 2012 10:14, by American Missile.

      Dear Citizen.
      i think you are not normal than being a mad man in the newest nation. the president have never been a coward like the way you think. are you yourself a soldiers or potential refugee if war can take it path.
      You are borne by the idiot parents who do not respects each other during their married.likely you inherited that natures.
      you have personal grudges against the leader.

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  • 3 October 2012 20:29, by malieng

    ’Madukuru’ had a support from where we all knows even making them forgotten us for our time of struggle, and that is why Hamed Sidiq is fully confidence of what he personally knows as their relationship with mediation teams. But we want to make it clear as said before by our ingenuous Governor Gen Malong, any pieces of land belong to south Sudan will be taken after us

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  • 3 October 2012 21:23, by Whortti Bor Manza

    The standard shown by the South Sudanese negotiators was very inferior compared to their counter parts the Sudanese. Bashir knew he is dealing with crooks and ignorant criminals who are lusting for money. Kiir and his cohorts just wanted the oil to flow at any cost. Abyei will never be part of the South.

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    • 6 October 2012 15:23, by sudani ana

      There is a reason why the SSgovernment wants the oil to flow at any cost, have you thought about that? The government is running out of money fast as they have no other source of income. Don’t give me that "we don’t have an economy" rubbish, you still have an inflated army that need salaries, civil servants, government institutions, need to buy fuel and food etc. this agreement of SS.

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  • 4 October 2012 01:26, by Mayar

    I have no problem for anybody who think that going to war is the only the solution to the problem. but forlonging the war is the worst thing you should consider before you go to fight. After two to three yrs you will forget the course of the war and you will weight the war blindly with no objection, pple will run away from you even the one who used to supported you.

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  • 4 October 2012 07:53, by Nasreldin

    Poor Southrens, Pagan is always telling you lies...
    If he will claim Heglig that means this agreement is termineted by nature... u will lose again...
    So am sure ur thieves will even give Abyei to make this agreement valid... wait & see.

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