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October 5, 2012 (KHARTOUM) — Sudan and South Sudanese security delegation are to meet Saturday in Juba to discuss issues pertaining to rebel groups and their presence in both countries, South Kordofan governor Ahmed Haroun said on Friday.

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Sudan’s Minister of Defence Abdel-Rahim Hussein shakes hands with his South Sudan counterpart John Kong Nyuon (R) after signing a security agreement between the two countries in Addis Ababa on 27 September 2012 (Reuters)

The two countries on 27 September signed nine political, economic and security deals aiming to settle a number of unresolved issues the two parties were discussing since the signing of the Comprehensive Peace Agreement in January 2005.

Speaking to the Sudanese radio on Friday about the agreements signed last week Haroun praised the efforts done in Addis Ababa and said that two countries achieved a "qualitative leap" and moved themselves from the "theatre of war" to the "park of peace".

He disclosed that security delegations from both sides will meet in Juba on Saturday to discuss "finishing touches " to end presence of rebels movements in the two countries and the disengagement between the South Sudan army, SPLA, and "the ninth and tenth divisions", an expression used in Khartoum indicate the rebel combatants in Blue Nile and South Kordofan.

The governor further said that "preparatory delegation of the Sudanese security committee has already arrived in Juba."

Khartoum and Juba traded accusations of supporting rebel groups. During the negotiations the Sudanese delegation indicated that none of the signed agreements would be implemented if South Sudan continues its support to the Sudanese rebels from the Two Areas and Darfur.

For the Blue Nile and South Kordofan; Khartoum says it demobilised and disarmed the former members of the Sudan Armed Forces (SAF) and it asks that Juba observers the reciprocity and disarm the former SPLA members.

Haroun also expressed hopes that South Sudanese President Salva Kiir releases, during a visit of President Omer Al-Bashir to Juba, Telephone Koko, a prominent former member of the SPLM from the Nuba Mountains opposed to Abdel Aziz Al-Hilu who the leader of the Movement in South Kordofan and was former deputy governor.

He further praised South Sudan’s chief negotiator, Pagan Amum for showing, during the talks, a positive spirit that helped the parties to move forward and to finalise a deal, he said

Speaking about the economic benefits of the agreements for his state, Haroun said the agreement will allow state’s farmers to export their agricultural products to South Sudan which is a key market for them adding that the banks which financed the produced crops will put the farmers in jail if they fail to sale it.

The Sudanese government earlier this year banned the exportation o f agricultural products from the border states to their traditional markets in the neighbouring South Sudanese states like Upper Nile, Unity, Warrap and Northern Bahr El-Ghazal and Western Bahr El-Ghazal.

The two countries are expected to continue their negotiations as they failed to reach a deal over the disputed areas and the organisation of a referendum in Abyei Area.

On the oil issues, Sudan still asks Juba to pay financial compensation for damaging Heglig oil infrastructures. It also demands $1.8 billion for the confiscation of its assets by a the South Sudan oil company Nilepet.

The two issues are left unresolved in the agreements signed on 27 September.

Juba denies damaging Heglig oil installations but Sudan says it can prove its claims. On the assets of Sudan oil company, Sudapet, South Sudan oil minister Stephen Dhieu Dau said Friday that the two parties remain committed to settle this issue within two months .

Oil companies have started works to resume pumping operations of oil South Sudanese to Port Sudan for exportations after an eight-month shutdown.

President Omer Al-Bashir is expected to visit Juba soon to mark the normalisation of bilateral relations.

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  • 6 October 2012 08:21, by Hardball

    If one look at the picture on this news article; which was taken in Addis Ababa, you can tell Sudanese has a long way to go by the look on John Kong face. That’s a look of someone who cannot be deceived! Sudanese think they will smile South Sudanese into an agreement; but it’s not going to be that easy! Implementation is another story.

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    • 6 October 2012 15:32, by South South

      Northern Sudanese,
      Where are you today gay man ? You said yesterday that you do not know if Sudanese young men are for sell in Libya. This show me that you are not in Sudan and you are not reading Khartoum news paper, what a shame from someone like you who put himself out as a very good reader and know more about the regions. Sudanese young men are for sell in Libya

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    • 6 October 2012 16:21, by Baring

      Dear Fellow South Sudanese.
      I m very unhappy with the level of demand that the North Sudan still putting to us, they are asking another 1.8 Billion for the damage create by themself, that is not acceptable. Let the so call LEADERS in SOUTH SUDAN not put us into this money hungery Sudan and they will rob us all the year. and also let the people on North Bahar Elgazal not sale any corobs from Suda

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  • 6 October 2012 08:48, by kaci-banno

    If Kiir try to implement such a weak agreement,he will face the consquences of his action. now i learn Kiir deserve not to be a president, he lack personal decision, lack knowledge what suppose to be done, lack foreign policy, lack political capacity. 2015 will be the end of his leadership, South Sudan curently need charasmatic leader who deal with arab accordingly.
    Kaci-banno

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  • 6 October 2012 09:00, by Ayuiu Makuac Lam

    The attrocities made in Panthou [Helig] were for both sides how can south sudan pay 1.8 billion Dollars.

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    • 6 October 2012 10:27, by mohammed ali

      Lam,you attacked Heglig which was ruled by the Hague to be part of Sudan.SPLA knowes this fact and didn’t included it in the list of contested areas.Despite this you attacked and you said we have " reclaimed it by force".You didn’t ask for it in the first place.Your words are incrminating you!Poor Salva was pushed into this trap by Garang’s boys & SPLA/N in the vain hope of toppling the Government

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      • 6 October 2012 13:28, by Rommel

        I have on many occasions asked you to end your terrible, perennial habit of gratuitously misquoting institutions of international significance, but evidently to no avail. The Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) did not rule that "Heglig" (Aliiny) does not belong to South Sudan! It said nothing of the sort!

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        • 6 October 2012 13:29, by Rommel

          The PCA was afforded a very limited, and very specific mandate; it was tasked only with determining the extent of Abyei as it stood at the date of its transfer from Bahr el Ghazl to Kordofan in 1905 by the Condominium government. The PCA defined Abyei in a way that moved both the Heglig (and Bamboo) oil sites to the east of Abyei’s eastern boundary — that’s all it did.

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          • 6 October 2012 13:30, by Rommel

            It did not place Heglig in northern Sudan or southern Sudan; it simply said that Heglig lies to the east of Abyei. This ruling did nothing to settle where the “1 January 1956 border” actually lies. It had no mandate to make such a determination, and did not attempt to do so.

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            • 6 October 2012 13:46, by Rommel

              The final ruling of the PCA on Abyei mentioned "Heglig" only once — and this is all it had to say on the matter:
              “The eastern boundary of the area of the nine Ngok Dinka chiefdoms transferred to Kordofan in 1905 runs in a straight line along longitude 29° 00 00” E, from latitude 10° 10 00” N south to the Kordofan – Upper Nile boundary as it was defined on 1 January 1956.”

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              • 6 October 2012 13:51, by Rommel

                I want a citation from the PCA explicitly stating that "Heglig" belongs on your side of the border in relation to the 1956 border. Provide me the citation. I don’t histrionics. I want the citation.

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                • 6 October 2012 14:01, by mohammed ali

                  Luka, ask the UNSC about this citation which led them to condemen your "occupation" to Heglig and " ordered" you to withdraw. They will tell you!

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                  • 6 October 2012 14:46, by Rommel

                    Deflection is the only game that you seem to be competent at, Mohammed. The UNSC is not infallible and has already proven that in what transpired in Libya last year. The statements and demarches of foreign governments and institutions are eclipsed by the truth; the 1931 map and the 1956 map and the reports of the displacement of the Ruweng Dinka from "Heglig" have precedence.

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                  • 6 October 2012 17:02, by zulu

                    Mr. Mohmafi,
                    It is certain now that you dont know law and therefoer has no compentency to issue a definitive position of it is at law. Just shut up on the ruling at the Hague

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        • 6 October 2012 13:37, by mohammed ali

          Luka, it said.Heglig is not on the negotiation table and the AU rejected to include it in the disputed areas! Is it included in the disputed areas?I repeat for the 100 time is it? Don’t divert the topic by talking about me.Answer this question! Thousands died, money lost, compensation will be paid and you claim " it is your & will not withdraw" Did you withdraw? Did you? Answer!

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          • 6 October 2012 13:49, by mohammed ali

            Luka, it was all your mistake, the greedy Abeyei sons; Why did you included it in Abyei since the NCP had recognized it as part of Rewing triangle? Arbitration divided the area between two parties, it can’t be the areas to be given to SS, it wouldn’t be arbitration.UNSC, AU both condemned the occupation of Heglig. Og they are ignorant.bla..bla like me!

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            • 6 October 2012 13:57, by mohammed ali

              Luka,Or it doesn’t matter it is on the neg. table or not, as you say. Oh dear, it does matter, because you are not going to get any more,because of the greediness of your Abeyei gang.Don’t go around and around, CPA is over there is a ruling accepted by you, UNSC & the AU.They understand very clearly & differently from your " genious" interpretation!Seem u , really,have a problem, get help soon!Bye

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          • 6 October 2012 13:58, by LL Reuben

            Mohammed Ali,
            Why do you insist on refering to this young fellow (Rommel) as Luka Biong an old politician in South Sudan? If you cannot keep up with his high knowledge on variety of subjects then do yourself a favor and stay away. You cannot win an intellectual debate by resorting to silly tactics. Anyways with that being said keep on poking fun of yourself you are amusing.

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            • 6 October 2012 15:31, by Rommel

              You have summed the man and his behavior perfectly, LL Reuben. He NEVER provides evidence for any of his claims and so is left with no recourse but to invent and weave a laughable theory on just who he thinks I am. It’s sad, cowardly and vicarious.

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          • 6 October 2012 14:55, by Rommel

            I have to evoke Aeschylus’s eternally pertinent idiom that "Truth is the first casualty of war". The narrative offered by both sides was imbued with falsehoods and exaggerations. I don’t think what transpired in the land of the Ruweng was a complete withdrawal. There’s no military on Earth that can engage an adversary in a conventional war with any hope of winning without command of the skies!

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            • 6 October 2012 15:09, by Rommel

              That the ignorant, corrupt, death-deserving cowards in Juba attempted and failed to explain and legitimize their actions in the fog of a military engagement to actors of international significance, who more often than not are operating under very little evidence with regards to the location of the border as it stood in 1956 is disconcerting...

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              • 6 October 2012 15:18, by Rommel

                ..but ultimately immaterial with regards to whom "Heglig" actually belongs. The PCA did not divide the land of the Ruweng between South Sudan and Sudan. It did no such thing. If you wish to insist that it did "divide" the area, then please provide the citations. These citations must exist somewhere, right? They’re not figments of your imagination, are they?

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                • 6 October 2012 20:47, by mohammed ali

                  Luka, nobody is doubting your hate to Juba these days! Abeyei gang are not at all happy.Particulary, you left Sudan after SAF took over Abeyei and you left Sudan probably for good.Since Juba pple are cowards why don’t come and show your bravery and bring your family to share the suffering of the pple of SS.

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                  • 6 October 2012 20:56, by mohammed ali

                    con: The PCA did not divide The rewing tringle , because it was not offered to them.It divided Abeyei which was offered to them. You included Rewing in the Abeyei area . Now you are changing cource claiming Heglig is not part of Abeyei , it is part of the Rewing triangle. You can’t have it both ways!Neuer of unity state voiced their objection from the very begining, but you insisted.Now you lost!

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                    • 7 October 2012 14:14, by Rommel

                      I really don’t know what to do with you, Mohammed. It seems that your ignorance and penchant for sprouting lies simply can’t be helped. There’s no such thing as the "Rewing triangle"; I think you may actually be referring to the *Unity triangle* — which unlike the "Rewing triangle" is very much real.

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                      • 7 October 2012 14:20, by Rommel

                        I don’tknow where you got the idea that the mandate of the PCA was to divide Abyei or that it did indeed divide Abyei in its final ruling in 2009. I’ll quote you the PCA’s own definition of its mandate - which was "to define (i.e. delimit) on map the boundaries of the area of the nine Ngok Dinka chiefdoms transferred to Kordofan in 1905, based on the submissions of the Parties."

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                        • 7 October 2012 14:26, by Rommel

                          You can search as hard as you want, but you will not find the word "divide" anywhere in the text, either in the definition of the mandate or in the final ruling. The PCA did not award you the land of the Ruweng. If you insist that it did, please do provide the citations in which it explicitely says as much.

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                          • 7 October 2012 14:36, by Rommel

                            By the way what does this all have to do with the Nuer? "Heglig" is the land of the Ruweng *Dinka* — another section of the Ngok Dinka. Your insistence on speaking on matters you know nothing about is ridiculous! Did you really think that you were going to appear cognizant of the dynamics and distribution of the various ethnic groups of South Sudan!? Thanks for the many laughs, Mohammed.

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      • 6 October 2012 14:03, by Chol

        Ali, just because you keep saying it; Panthou is part of Sudan will not make it so! This is the same argument you have on Abyei; are you saying Abyei people, the Dinka Ngok people are Sudanese as well? No, to keep saying it; is not going to make Abyei and Panthou yours. The people who live on those territories know exactly where they belong. >

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        • 6 October 2012 14:04, by Chol

          >They are South Sudanese tribe since the inception of that land and will prove it to you on the valets in 2013 referendum as African Union and UN recommended. The African Union and United Nations know the issue of Abyei and Panthous is just an open and shut case regardless of your “straw man” argument.

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  • 6 October 2012 09:28, by Reuben

    Boarder demacation is not yet sorted out and Panthou is part of South Sudan "contested land". How should South sudan pay money to another country for the damage on its own land? THis is rediculus.Arab are so funny they force what is yours to be theirs and get more from it.Our leaders must be clever to deal with those liars and manipulators.

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    • 6 October 2012 09:56, by mohammed ali

      Ruben, have being sleeping? Heglig is not on the " contested land" list on the negotiation table.It was not on the list when negotiation started, before attacking Heglig.After the attack, they tried to include it on thelist of the contested areas, the AU & UNSC refused! So, you will have to pay! You have to ask your leader for the loss of life, since Heglig was not contested in the first place.

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      • 6 October 2012 10:15, by Peacocktail

        NO Disarmament of SPLA N Div 9 and 10, unless the BN and South Kordufan and Abyei protocals are implemented by Khartuom, SPLA N is still committed in Overthrowing NCP Government. President Kiir had not yet table the Agreement in Parliament yet.

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        • 6 October 2012 17:16, by zulu

          Again Mohamed,
          Panthou or Aliny that you called Heglig in the 90s has now considered as contested because of what is called border demarkation and not name giving. You dont know what law is and therefore has no authority to even venture to define what is at law. just shut up

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      • 6 October 2012 13:05, by James Maker Akok

        Hi Mohammed Ali,
        What you talking is a pushing times. South Sudan the map for what they know in their mind but North Sudan deleted the true and brought wrong map for world to confuse. I have a original of Sudan show Heglig, Abyei, and all 14 miles Bahr el Arab up to en Nahas town are inside South Sudan Map. I’m giving this Map out now to people, I gave some out already to USUNPUBLICAFFAIRS, and

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        • 6 October 2012 13:10, by mohammed ali

          James, they usually depends upon British maps located mainly in UK.It is also supported by documents delineated cordinates of the area.So don’t worry about the maps, leave it for the professionals.

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          • 6 October 2012 13:54, by James Maker Akok

            Hi Mohammed Ali,
            British told everybody that the map of two Sudan border line that North Sudan has in the maps and every office around the world is not correct Map. So what professionals you talking, you talking the professionals in your North Sudan Government offices who giving wrong map with wrong written documents to the worlds that what you talking?

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        • 6 October 2012 13:36, by Rommel

          These areas all belong to South Sudan, the maps are very clear on that. Areas such as Kafia Kingi and Hofrat en Nahas were demonstrably within the borders of South Sudan in 1956. There are many grit-edged reports that detail the displacement of the Ruweng Dinka from "Heglig" in the 1990s. The truth is all that matters, it is your shield and spear.

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  • 6 October 2012 09:31, by Reuben

    The Sudan Oil facilitiese e.g pipe lines etc were for both south sudan and the current sudan .Since south sudan lost it to Sudan, sudan must compensate South sudan for the loss.

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    • 6 October 2012 10:24, by Peacocktail

      There was something wrong with our negiotation team,say yes on everything tablet by Fake SouthAfrican man is useles, Payment for Damages on Panthou and abyei is Something not to be discussed till the owners of Lands are found. Paying our Money for What? Visit by Security committ to South Sudan is something to discussed and analyze first by our elders. I Love Pagan for being Serious, rest are fail

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  • 6 October 2012 10:22, by michael coma

    The Arabs world have plannes how Sudan and S/Sudan be united to be one.1-the wanted to strategies the splm leadership through economic failure.2-the had also planned to entices the citizen through dual citizenship.3-sharia law have been abolished to pave the way of S/Sudanese to acquire what the want in North.4-The also wanted to tople two ruling parties and bringing up new ones to updated the old

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  • 6 October 2012 10:25, by michael coma

    two ruling parties on both Sudans to stablish the unity of sudan.

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  • 6 October 2012 10:27, by 4Justice

    Something isn’t right

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    • 6 October 2012 10:34, by michael coma

      Yep 4jusyic,that their plans.Wait and u will see.

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  • 6 October 2012 13:25, by James Maker Akok

    Every body
    If you want to know the fact Map line border between South Sudan with North Sudan you may contact me to request the Original map of two Sudan from me to send it to you. This map is going to make North Sudan Government to crying forever in their life.
    jamesmakerakok@gmail.com

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  • 6 October 2012 13:32, by NO PEACE

    people of sudan and south sudan there is no Comprehensive Peace Agreement now,
    CPA Dead with Jonh Garang please

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    • 6 October 2012 13:42, by Dinkawarrior

      The Ex Advisor to my enemy Buona Malual Madut is now become a family and private advisor to S.sudan President! Do you still truth Kiir anymore?
      Malwal Madut is known as tribalistic since he was born, look the way he divided himself into many sections. He is here in South Sudan while his Bank Account is still in Khartoum. He was an Advisor to Bashit but now he is Kiir’s Advisor.What do you expect?

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  • 6 October 2012 13:42, by Chuangah

    We real South Sudanese must stand against any weak government who want to reunite us with Arabs, we have nothing in common with those who fuck themselves five times a day. Let President Kiir not compromised against our marginalized brothers of Sk & BN. Let Kiir reread all verses that talk about Sudan in the Bible.

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  • 6 October 2012 16:16, by sudinka

    This agreement will not be impenamented becuse of one thing Bashir must apologize south sudanses for being call them insects during the SPLA open eyes face Jalaba.

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  • 6 October 2012 19:39, by Nguetbuny de Luelpiny

    Juba Adm does not explain country strategy in publicly alway & revise the vision people fighting for & check if they are doing right things.Loser will be UpperNile & Bar el gazal who died in masses for the cause of land.Ordinary people have lost the trust on juba Group. There is no other earth,we will find than the Sudan we have. Weak leaders can make people extinct on the earth. SPLA visionary

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