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Khartoum accuses Juba of supporting new Sudan’s rebels alliance

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November 12, 2011 (KHARTOUM) — The Sudanese intelligence service on Saturday accused South Sudan of sponsoring the meetings of a new rebel alliance, saying this support represents ’a clear declaration of hostility,’ against Khartoum.

SPLM-N leader and SRF chairman Malik Agar (photo SPLM-N)

The Sudan People’s Liberation Movement – North (SPLM-N), the Justice and Equality Movement (JEM), and the two factions of the Sudan Liberation Movement led by Abdel Wahid Al-Nur (SLM-AW) and Minni Minnawi (SLM-MM) announced the formal launch of a new rebel alliance called the Sudan Revolutionary Front (SRF).

The alliance of the rebel groups active in Darfur, Blue Nile and South Kordofan aims to overthrow the government of the National Congress Party by political and military means. They also warned they would hit the regime everywhere and not only in the regions where they are now.

The joint statement released on 11 November by the rebel groups referred to Kauda, in South Kordofan, not far from the border with the Republic of South Sudan as the place where they held their meeting.

The unnamed director of information at the National Intelligence and security Services (NISS) said Saturday that the recent meetings of SRF rebels were held in Juba, under the sponsorship of South Sudan government.

"The support of the so called Sudan Revolutionary Front by the South Sudan government is a clear declaration of hostility towards the Government of Sudan," the official further said.

Khartoum and Juba trade accusations of supporting rebel groups from both sides, even before the independence of South Sudan. Each side also rejects the allegations of backing their armed opposition groups.

However, since the rebellion of the SPLM-N, the tension between the two capital might destabilise the region as it would hinder the solution of outstanding issues between the two countries, and the settlement of Sudan internal conflicts in Darfur Blue Nile and South Kordofan.

An official at the Sudanese presidency described the SRF as "the arm of foreign forces seeking to dismantle the regime through racist armed groups implementing the agenda of some well indentified circles."

Speaking to the London-based daily newspaper, al-Hayat, the official further minimised the capacity of the rebel coalition to threaten the government in Khartoum, stressing that the regular army control the situation in the Blue Nile, Darfur and fights now the rebellion in South Kordofan to dislodge it from the few positions it controls.

The groups members of the new alliance said they established a joint command to coordinate their military action in the three regions. Analysts expect that SRF rebels would seek first to back SPLM-N forces in the Blue Nile where its chairman Malik Agar lost recently the control of the stronghold Kurmuk town.

The rebel alliance called on the Sudanese opposition forces to consider a comprehensive perspective to change the center of power and to reject partial solutions. They also said they were seeking to work with the "Sudanese forces of change" which supports the idea of regime change in Sudan.

However, Khartoum is expected to seek the support of the opposition forces which in the past showed their hostility to JEM’s attack on the capital in May 2008.

The SRF pledged to bring the war to Khartoum.

(ST)

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  • 13 November 2011 09:55, by Waucity

    Shame on Khartoum for forcing legends like Malek Agar to desperately fight for their freedom for life..They should live in the forest, away from home and you should live at home...

    • 13 November 2011 16:02, by Deng Ateny Lueth

      WOW,i think time for Arab ruling in Sudan is over just like it has ended in South Africa. our African brothers of North Sudan in three regions of Darfur, Nuba Mt, and Blue Nile plus unknown Help of God, should join hands now to Cut the head of Arab Bastards.it is a matter of time now to declare Bashir, Turabi, and Sadique al mahdi,being reported kill or else they ’ll run and seek refuge in middle

  • 13 November 2011 10:03, by Michael Miyom Minyiel

    Juba has not sponsored any kind of meeting for the aliances or having any intention to support any sort of rebels.
    Juba is fully adheering to the CPA principles.

    • 13 November 2011 10:40, by Sam.Eto

      How can you be so sure. How can you be so blindly confident. Do you sleep at night in kiirs bed or are you a fly on the wall. America went to the UN and fabricated all the evidence to invade iraq. Dont be so blind. Use that small brainwashed brain of yours - stop being sheep. Especially when the evidence is so clear. how can you deny a relationship between SPLM and SPLM-N - Oh Kiir said so.

      • 13 November 2011 11:27, by Bush

        @sam.eto

        Do you sleep on his bed or in his toilet? Why don’t you have brain to reason like human being? Why do you behave subhuman? Is that because of your religion or the type of god that you pray to? Don’t panic yet, you dogs, your days are numbered and you are going to face true African sons soon.

      • 13 November 2011 11:36, by Logic

        Yes we know about the fabrication of the Iraq war, but do you accept the fabrication by the NCP to facilitate an attack on the very civilians its mandated to protect! NO.

        Its ironic when you blind loyalists give examples of US & Israel’s misuse of power as a justification for the atrocities committed by N. Sudan’s gov. Its one thing to fight a rebellion and another to brutalize civilians.

      • 13 November 2011 11:52, by Michael Miyom Minyiel

        My friend,we can fight their war in broad day light if we feel to help them but SPLM-N with its armed wing are capable of doing their businesses without any help from the south sudan government.
        No more appeasement whatsoever.
        Their accusations are baseless and full of lies.

      • 13 November 2011 14:25, by Albino Kuel

        No matter how ICC have not arrested Mr.Bashir Hassien but one time one day his days will be count and he will be judge accordingly.He should not assume that,we are like before and we are much more active than by then.You will be like Gadaffi as soon but let see how dangerous we are,we south Sudanese if he still having problem with us again and we have already separated from North Sudan.

      • 13 November 2011 15:47, by Force 1

        Sam Eto, how long are you going to be enslaved by Bashir? You need 30, 40 years of his rule? Don’t be just like women for for him, be like men and fight to liberate yourselves like Libya, South Sudan, Tunisia and Egypt.

        You don’t have any power to communicate with us here on this site, you should be in Bashir House cleaning his table for left overs!

    • 13 November 2011 11:27, by Logic

      "racist armed groups"

      That’s rich coming from one of the most racist elite government Africa has ever seen.

      The issue is not the relationship between SPLM and SPLM-N, after all they were once comrades in arm, but its the institutional marginalization and oppression of non Arab Sudanese by the NCP and its supporters.

  • 13 November 2011 10:17, by WendeMajok

    Congratulations SRF!!
    The formation of SRF is a clear signal of victory over north in few days to come.
    Its not a matter of blaming RoSS on the uprise of SRF, do you think they can’t make it by themselves? North should lay a strategy of changing the leadership style bcoz all the different parts of the country CAN’T just uprise against the central gov’t without any reason...check yourselves!!

    • 13 November 2011 22:13, by Lok T Simon

      Dear North Arab,
      By Surprise and accusing others is not the solution, but the true is that Kingdom of Cush was an Ancient Nubian state centered on the Confluence of the blue Nile, white nile and river Atbara. Although Mhadi burnt all law, regilion and Histories books of Sudan during period of 1885. It doesn’t matter this time, we have got all our Cush rights and now time is running out for Arab.

      • 14 November 2011 00:30, by mohammed ali

        Simon, The Kindom of Kush is not the Nubian state!It was not on the blue nile!It was in Marowe, and Nabta and the Barkal Mountain.Nubian Kingdoms came after the fall the Kingdom of Kush!It was not only one Kingdom but 3. Alodia in Soba just south of Khartoum, Macuria in old Dongla north Sudan, and Nobatia in Aswan in Egypt now! Kush or Meroeite language is not deciphered yet..con

        • 14 November 2011 00:39, by mohammed ali

          ..Nubian or a variant of is still spoken mainly in north Sudan,Nuba mountins,Birgid in north Nyala.Nylotic tribes has nothing in common with neither Kush or Nubia. Kush worship same gods " amon " like Egyptian, Nubian were christians,Nylotic worship cows like the massai with whom they share languistic, gentic and physical features.The kingdom on the Blue Nile was Sinnar which was the first ..cont

          • 14 November 2011 00:47, by mohammed ali

            ..African Islamic state in Sudan established by the FUNJ, the anchesters of Agar! They desroyed the christian Kingdom of Soba in 1505 AD!Mahadi died only 40 days after capturing Khartoum, he is basically a Nubian from Dongla where they still speak the Nubian language!He had no time to burn anything. Educate yourself first to fill your washed brain with some knowledge, before talking about history!

            • 14 November 2011 16:03, by Lok T Simon

              Dear M. Ali,
              Thank you for your coments and corrections that you were trying to correcting my comments.
              Kingdom of Kush states centered confluence of the Blue Nile, White nile and River Atbara established after the Bronze Age callapse and the disintegration of new Kingdom of Egpt, it was centered at Napta in its early phase.
              After King Kashta (the Kushite) invaded Egpt in the 8th century BC,

              • 14 November 2011 16:14, by Lok T Simon

                M. Ali, the Kushite ruled as Pharaoh of the twenty fifth dynasty of egypt for a century, during a classical antiquity, the Nubian capital, yes was at Meroe. In early Greek Geography, the meroitc Kingdom was known as Ethiopia. The Nubian Kingdom at Meroe Persisted untill 4th Century AD
                By the 6th century, Fifty sates had emerged as the political and cultural heirs of the merortic Kingdom. Nobatia

                • 14 November 2011 16:23, by Lok T Simon

                  Continuation--- Nobatia in the north, also known as Ballanah, had its capital at Faras, in what is now Egypt; the central Kingdom, Muqurra, was centered at Dungulah, about 13kg (10 miles) south of Modern Dungulah and Alwawa.
                  So Mr M.Ali, you are just founding Arab within sudan and therefore you cannot talking much and make argue with original people within Sudan.
                  thanks,

                  Lok T. Simon.

  • 13 November 2011 10:23, by Michael Miyom Minyiel

    Khartoum has mastered the art of lying to the extend that it does not feel ashame on the matter.
    Sudan is being overcome by its internal problems that it wants to divert the recent incidence in Yida and other place in the south.

  • 13 November 2011 10:25, by pabaak

    you are right Miyom, they always miss the point, crying everyday to South Sudan will not help. Do they think are only with brains and the reset are not? how long they try to hold down this powerful alliance, even SPLM/N already liberate almost the entire South Kordafan, they don’t held meeting in Juba,its in their liberating areas. they still accused us of sponsor the new alliance, this pathetic.

    • 13 November 2011 10:45, by Sam.Eto

      Ha Ha Ha - delusional !! For the last 10 years the SPLM did nothing but cry everything is because of the North. Even recently with the rise of oil prices in the South. When the News was clear it was the oil companies that hiked the price - the SPLM blamed the North. Ha Ha Ha entire South Kordafan? Like SSLA controls Unity right ?

      • 13 November 2011 11:46, by Logic

        More of the same blind loyalty.

        SPLA-N inflicted heavy losses on SAF in S. Kurdofan and control much of it, destroyed SAF’s plan of killing the elected governor of Blue Nile with bodies littering localities in the immediate aftermath of the cowardice attempt by SAF.

        Al Jazeera among others had footage of this but refused to air them.

        • 13 November 2011 14:49, by mohammed ali

          Logic,

          The illogical JALLABI in southerners shoes!

          Lying as usual!

          The SPLA had ran away from the blue Nile and you claim that the SPLA destryed SAF’s plan to kill Malik Agar!If they want to kill him they could have done so before starting his rebillion in broad day light!Agar’s rebillion was a cowardice act for which he called Ali Osman to appologize when it was too late...cont

          • 13 November 2011 15:10, by mohammed ali

            SPLA was not able to occupy a single town in Kordofan and now is acting as pandits and assassinating innocent civiillians. They will soon get their final punishment and flushed out like in Blue Nile and Abyei.Al Hilue should have accepted the result of the elections if he realy believes in democracy.Traitors will not survive long.
            ...cont

            • 13 November 2011 15:17, by mohammed ali

              Al Gazeira will published it’s own findings and not your false and fabricated propoganda.People in South Kordufan want and need peace and not war to fullfil the dreams of Al Hilue.Now they are forming the " Failyer’s alliance" with the support of 66 zionist groups in the US.The showes clearly that they are TRAITORS!

              • 13 November 2011 15:34, by Logic

                "called Ali Osman to apologize when it was too late" lol.

                Man you’re truly funny, your people will never tell you the truth because they have become accustomed to fraudulent statements and fabrications of the truth.

                Your NCP have always attempted to assassinate SPLM leaders but their plans always get foiled. Too dumb.

                • 13 November 2011 15:42, by mohammed ali

                  It was the head line on all news papers and he himself did not deny it, even talking to other international media. Ofcourse he knowes that his conversations with the VP will be recorded as usual! We will alwayes tell the truth! Liers always think that peoiple are like them. Brainwashed Jallabi!

              • 13 November 2011 15:40, by Logic

                Its amazing how you believe your own propaganda.

                I just wonder what will happen to your likes once the NCP falls, probably switch sides. lol

                Don’t you guys get fed up with blaming everything on Zionist groups as if you’re angels.

                You both lie to maintain power.

                • 13 November 2011 15:48, by mohammed ali

                  Logic ,

                  It doesn’t matter if NCP falls. Am loyal to my country and people and I donnot hide my Identity am SUDANESE proud of it and will defend my people and country irrespective of whose on power and will dispice TRAITORS.66 zionis looby groups were adreesed by Arman and he asked them to call for nofly zone, they did! Brainwashed Jalllabi!

            • 13 November 2011 15:46, by Logic

              You’re truly an NCP loyalist. Haroun’s election was in noway democratic.

              An entire polling station re-appears after being struck off.

              The head of the state NEC gets threatened by Nafi Ali Nafi himself.

              etc etc etc... Plenty more examples but it don’t matter, you’re brainwashed.

              What do you people know about democracy!

              • 13 November 2011 15:55, by mohammed ali

                Carter centre, the EU comissions among others all endorsed the elections. Are they NCP loyalists? Is this propoganda? Check the report of Carter center.Afterall, why are you so bothered if you are southerner! It is not your country, it is our country, and will never be yours even if you are Sudanese. Traitors & Lyers are not welcomed among us!

                • 13 November 2011 16:06, by Logic

                  Make up your mind you delusional brainwashed so called "proud Sudanese".

                  One minute am N. Sudanese and the next you call me a S. Sudanese, are you ok!

                  I’ve read the carter report, I suggest you read up on Jimmy Carter as president of the US and realize who the man is. Trust me mohammed, you’re not ready for me. Your writings suggest you’re an emotive person, far removed from objectivity.

                  • 13 November 2011 16:34, by mohammed ali

                    Never think you are southerner!If you donnot understand , will explain again what I said! I said :If you are southerner as "you claim" why are you bothered , Sudan is not your country your’s is South Sudan..did it get through your thick washedbrain in other words you are lying. Again if you are southerner and in the field picturing, you support what the SAF saying of the SPLA support to the rebell

                    • 13 November 2011 16:41, by mohammed ali

                      Now Carter is bad!At least he is one of the most decent presidents and international respected.I can decipher fact from fiction bout him.The report is not written by him to attack him personally, but by a group on the ground.What about the EU, should I go and read about their biogrphy one by one and discredit them!Young lad ,go to bed!

                    • 13 November 2011 19:06, by Logic

                      You’ll never find a single comment on ST of me claiming anything other than being an African Sudanese, which means I could be from S, W, E or N. Sudan.

                      The point is, am against oppression by who ever, so claiming a region may render my comments bias before proper analysis by the reader, hence I don’t do it. Hope you over-stand.

                      "Young lad" was funny though, typical Elite Sudanese arrogance.

                      • 13 November 2011 20:41, by mohammed ali

                        Logic now it is clear and obvious.You said you are from S Sudan previously on ST.Moreover there is nothing calld SS or NS there is the republic of Sudan and the R of S.Sudan. You can’t be from both!Haven’t heard a word from you against the opression in RSS or there isn’t?! You defended looooooting billions in RSS,which is worest type of opression leading to hunger disease and violence.cont

                        • 13 November 2011 22:22, by Master

                          Dont waste you time Ali. Logic doesnt debate, he thinks he is smart by repeating the same racist and irrelavant answers. He would deny everything you say and call it fabrication and put his ’facts’ as truth. Sound familiar ! Zionist. Its the same propaganda and style that the Zionist medias use FOX etc. I wouldnt be suprised if he’s Nagib himself ! But i still think hes an infiltrator/mole.

                        • 14 November 2011 09:07, by Logic

                          Mohammed

                          There’re more than enough voices on this site criticizing the problems of S. Sudan, they don’t need my voice. At least its southerners who are both critical and proud of their nation.

                          However, you racist northern commentators are all in favor of the status quo, now which resembles brainwashing! Call me all types of names but it will never change the reality on the ground.

                        • 14 November 2011 09:15, by Logic

                          Mohammed

                          Stop lying, I dare you to quote me as you claim I revealed where am from! You’ll never be able to, because it never happened. Explaining what leads to corruption is not defending it, do you have a brain?

                          Master

                          Compared to you, I’m a scholar. You’re a racist bigot and you continuously attempt to look down on African Sudanese. Just look at your name.

                          Get over yourself.

            • 13 November 2011 21:09, by Force 1

              Mohammad Ali, how long are you going to be enslave by Bashir? You need 30, 40 years of his rule? Don’t be just like women for him, be like men and fight to liberate yourselves like Libya, South Sudan, Tunisia and Egypt.
              You don’t have any power to communicate with us here on this site, you should be in Bashir House to clean his table for left overs!

              • 13 November 2011 23:46, by mohammed ali

                Force, the way you talk speak about your mentality. Abusive language is the language of the weak and the brainwashed ignorant. I am not the slave of anyone , the word had never been programed in my mind and will never! Rulers and governments will come and go , but countries and people will remai.Gadafi was the first leader to supply the SPLA with arms, Lybians were supported by Sudan in their revo

      • 14 November 2011 10:00, by eye-of-an-eye

        Is a great pleasure to hear this amazing news we have been singing of the overthrowing of the regime and it happens now, who ever acts like mad dog will face the consequence of his/her/its acts. why blaming South Sudan for with no evident, appreciate Bashir for his foolish act. and too appreciate the join alliance for the wisest decission, all the best for the success.

  • 13 November 2011 11:43, by Bush

    The NCP dogs are trying to divert the attentions of its citizens from heat that is rising from the UNSC because of their recent reckless and stupid bombing of the refugee camp in South Sudan. Something that only a fool or a mad dog can do. Why can’t just Africans wake up one day and purge all those dogs from this land. Tired of those children of Ismail.

  • 13 November 2011 11:55, by man to man

    Dear all that is a very good news to whole sudan, we need regime change. Why are we alway killing eachother? SRF would be the only regime which will never discriminate and marginalise any part of sudan.
    Just my advice to our SAM. ETO is to come and join us hand to hand.

    • 13 November 2011 12:22, by Michael Miyom Minyiel

      Sam-Eto I wonder if that is his name should join us immediately before any of our doors is closed.
      Come with your dirty money you have been bought with and we shall cleanse it with our holy blood.
      Tell your friends in SAF to surrender.

  • 13 November 2011 12:44, by thomas

    We need a regime change, but also a good plan.
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    • 13 November 2011 14:01, by mohammed ali

      Where do you want this regime change? If that is in Sudan you are calling for interference in the affairs of a foregin country.This and all the other comments give the clear evidence that deep in your heart you know and support the interference of your government in our national affairs.We signed the CPA and accepted the result of the referundum to reach a final peace which will give both of...con

      • 13 November 2011 14:08, by mohammed ali

        ..our countries a chance to offer the people of Sudan a better life.Seems that you and your government have another option. This will lead to war which we donnot want and it is not in the best interest of our people!It is more than obvious that Sudan will respond and up to now there were effective measured responses , but if this contiues it will defenitly lead to a devastating war which ...cont

        • 13 November 2011 14:17, by mohammed ali

          ..going to be detremental to your new state in the first place!The ordinary marginalized southerners who are already suffering immensly will lose their last hope in having peace and prosperity!The SPLA is still thinking with the " bush" mentality and not a responsible " state" mentality.SPLA should know that it has so many wounds that can easily bleed profusly.Up to now they have the chance ...con

          • 13 November 2011 14:32, by mohammed ali

            ..to behave like a responsible state.War is not an option for us but we will defened our country by any means.Up to now it has been clearly proved beyond any doubt that the SPLA cannot stand for the SAF.This is not a hit and run bush war!Afterall we do not need war; shutting the pipeline for 7 days will lead to the collapse of the SPLA.It is a choice for the SPLA to make either to..

            • 13 November 2011 14:41, by mohammed ali

              .offer the poor marginalized southerners what it pledged for and that is peace and prosperity or further misery, poverty and underdevelopment.They should choose between solving their problems and leaving our problems for us to solve versus making problems for us.South Kordofan, Blue Nile and Darfur are the republic of Sudan problems not the ROSS problems.Leave them for us we are happy to deal with

          • 13 November 2011 14:53, by Logic

            You don’t speak for N. Sudan, who’s this "us" you keep on about.

            SPLA-N, JEM, SLA-AW/MM and millions of their supporters are the "us" you brush aside. And they are dealing with the retched parasites. Leave S. Sudan out of it, deal with the real "us" of N. Sudan.

            For almost 50yrs you’ve tried to crush the southern uprise, but failed, what makes you think you can handle the new southern uprise!

            • 13 November 2011 15:37, by mohammed ali

              Logic,

              at last you decided to stop lying and you are part of us.
              Just a jallabi like us!I know this new zionist plan to creat another ’new’ southern problem! and both north and south sudan will pay the bill.This why we call for peace,because we want to preserve our blood for us.Brainwshed educated people are more selfdestructing.Sad story

              • 13 November 2011 15:57, by Logic

                "Brainwshed educated people are more selfdestructing." If only you can make use of your own wisdom, but I doubt it as you are too far gone.

                Those of us with basic intellect can decipher fact from fiction, the NCP aren’t much different to the Zionists.

                Lastly, my identity is irrelevant nor did my last comment reveal my identity, I suggest you read it again. I know you can mis-read but just try.

                • 13 November 2011 16:11, by mohammed ali

                  Logic,

                  I can read this comment which tells me that your identity is relevant!Precisly this comment is telling me that you are lying!There is nothing more destructing than war , this whyI stand firmly with my wisdom!I feel sorry for you because you can’t dicipher fact from fiction; you donnot know the difference between Sudan & Sudanese on one side and NCP or any other political party on the other

                  • 13 November 2011 16:32, by Logic

                    Mohammed

                    Being a proud Sudanese does not mean turning a blind eye to atrocities committed in your name. Your mentality is really baffling.

                    On one hand you advocate pride for your country but on the other, a staunch supporter of leaders who destroy, divide and misrule the people of the country you profess to love.

                    Get rid of that blind loyalty.

                    • 13 November 2011 16:56, by mohammed ali

                      Logic,

                      You didn’t go to bed yet!I know when and where to criticise and where and when to support!Those who divided Sudan were working towards this for decades!It was not in anybodies interest.Now they are trying the 2nd phase.South Sudan does not need any war, if the previous wars were really only to give them independence.Now they need food,schools,health care,roads..etc..cont

                      • 13 November 2011 17:24, by mohammed ali

                        ..now they are pushing them for them another war which is not in anybodies interest! Brainwashed will think it is about a certain regime or government!It is not!Zionist groups are bussy only with Sudan!As if it the only place where there problem, but the world is changing and is not going to be controlled by any single nation or group!Go to bed!

                        • 13 November 2011 18:54, by Logic

                          Mohammed you’re truly a brainwashed waste of a brain.

                          If you believe in Zionist conspiracies, how on earth can you tell me Carter was a good president. World politics is all about make believe. Research how much deregulation Carter oversaw during his term which contributed to the current inevitable financial crisis. Most American presidents are puppets.

                          While I go to bed, you do some analysis.

                          • 13 November 2011 20:52, by mohammed ali

                            Lpgic, deregulations occured during Reagains administraion having borrowed them from Thatcher!I didn’t say he is good or bad, I said he is decent and respected, nevertheless I have my differences. That American Presidents particularly after the 2nd war (after Eisenhower)are as you said, couldn’t agree more, for the first time.If you know that much then why?Is it just because you are aginst the NCP

                            • 13 November 2011 21:03, by mohammed ali

                              I think whenever somebody talks about zionist is being stigmatized as " conspiracy theory" believer!As if there is no conspiracies on earth.There are and I am not afrid to call me so! What about Iraq! WMD, mobile rocket launchers..bla..bla.To kill 2 birds with one stone! Destroy Iraq and burn one of the most eloquent and intelligent potential black American leader!...cont

                              • 13 November 2011 21:12, by mohammed ali

                                For all of this I call you young lad, when you are mature enough you will understand things better! But you are biased and Racist! Always talking aginst Arabs. Did I ever talk against any race or tribe or ethinicity!We are human being with our good and bad , but there is no bad race, tribe or ethincity. But we could have our differences.Arabs are just like any other people, not more or less!

                            • 14 November 2011 09:29, by Logic

                              You’re dead wrong, deregulation has been happening for centuries. Usually overseen by intermittent leaders and those who appose are usually replaced or assassinated. Decent usually means good, wtf!

                              I have no problems with Arabs, I have a great deal of respect for their contribution to humanity but I despise their evil atrocities too (some Arabs), especially by their descendants in N. Sudan.

        • 13 November 2011 14:44, by Logic

          Blah blah blah

          "Khartoum government is great", "SAF is the almighty army", "we don’t want war but will defend our country and so on so forth".

          Its getting boring now...

          SAF has been killing those its suppose to protect. NCP is oppressing the non Arabs of Sudan, until this stops you wont have a choice but war.

          Get it!

          • 13 November 2011 14:57, by mohammed ali

            Logic,

            We are always ready for it! But feel sorry for the poor and marginalized people who are going to die for no obvious reason while they were promised paradice.We would like the real culprits and opportunist like you to come and fight their own war and get punished severly instead of pushing innocent and poor to die while they are dancing around their bood and dead bodies over a bottle of ru

            • 13 November 2011 15:11, by Logic

              You have no idea what I do, don’t blame you for assuming. We ask the cowardice government to allow humanitarian access to the wounded and displaced, over a 100,000 are displaced because of your gov.’s intentional targeting of civilians.

              And you want to talk about pushing the innocent to die, you people are full of it. The war is being fought precisely to ensure civilians live fearless at home

              • 13 November 2011 15:28, by mohammed ali

                Logic,

                Stop lying!You are bluffing!Stop the war first if you really care.Tell Hilue to accept the result of the internationally endorsed elections and disarm as a civillian.He cannot be a millitia and civillian politician at the same time.Tell him peace is the only way which can help the people of Kurdufan and Sudan both N&S.Tell him the alliance with zionist lobbiest is aimed to destroy Sudan N&

            • 13 November 2011 15:25, by Logic

              And you are not ready for nothing.

              I could send you pictures of how your so called SAF deserted their equipments in S. Kurdofan and ran (pussycats).

              The only real threat Khartoum has is the air force. As for you Mohammed, keep being an internet warrior from your comfortable arm chair in the UK.

              • 13 November 2011 16:02, by mohammed ali

                You can get pictures from any where, but soft and delicate guys like will revert to filthy language to cover up for their own "morral" complexties!Am now in SUDAN, am much comfortable here.I cannot fight a war and I donnot want to.I donnot push others to fight any war except to defend my country.Any other war is a crime!

                • 13 November 2011 22:26, by Master

                  Dont waste you time Ali. Logic doesnt debate, he thinks he is smart by repeating the same racist and irrelavant answers. He would deny everything you say and call it fabrication and put his ’facts’ as truth. Sound familiar ! Zionist. Its the same propaganda and style that the Zionist medias use FOX etc. I wouldnt be suprised if he’s Nagib himself ! But i still think hes an infiltrator/mole.

          • 13 November 2011 15:12, by pabaak

            Logic are you really logic in year message, Khartoum government is great!! is laughable, you got to admit that in this world you never been great with indicted genocidal president, the most wanted criminal in world, what is great here with the killing of innocent people in refugee camp in another international bordering State, I mean, I can’t find your point here of what make them great.

            • 13 November 2011 15:18, by pabaak

              Sorry, Logic I thought you were defending, SAF, and the Genocidal President. I see your point, never mind.

              • 13 November 2011 17:42, by Michael Miyom Minyiel

                Thank you Pabaak for realizing your mistake about Logic.
                Logic has fougt well with Mohamade Ali so logic won the argument.

                • 13 November 2011 22:44, by Michael Angelo

                  Mohammed,

                  God once said, tell the truth and the truth will set you free. Do you believe defending Omar Bashir’s action will earn you any credit from them, of course not? Omar Bashir is a ruthless leader who kill not only Afro-Sudanese, but your arab brothers as well. Omar Bashir dreams
                  are not understood by most of N. Sudanese people.

  • 13 November 2011 22:28, by Proudfoot

    No doubt that Logic presents a much more level-headed argument. Thank you, Logic, for your ability to maintain composure and present a factual basis for your opinion.
    Mohammed, I admire your passion for what you believes in, but perhaps you should open you eyes to what is all to obvious. Mohammed, I suggest that you bring information that is validated by someone other than the Republic of Sudan.

    • 14 November 2011 00:05, by mohammed ali

      Proudfoot, thanks,but tell me about the facts which were brought by Logic!Just a single one!The only possible fact he mentioned was that most American were puppets! Agar tried to appologize was on all news paper,never denied it; Logic did’t refute it.Carter center,EU mission endorsed the elections, his answer was to attack Carter personally, sounds silly; what about EU comission?!...cont

      • 14 November 2011 00:17, by mohammed ali

        ..when I said war is devastating and detremental , he said "get it", when he was traped up by his own words, he said he is trying to help the wounded..well stop the war first!We donnot want anybody to "get" anywar!The poor only are dying and both countries go downhill.I donnot want that.Again he was alwayes saying he is a southerner, now he is from "NS, SS,WS ES", while there is only RoS & RoSS

        • 14 November 2011 01:56, by Proudfoot

          I presume that by NS, SS, WS, or ES he was referring specifically to the cardinal directions and in which portion of Sudan he lives. Does it not make a significant difference upon his opinion if he would live in Khartoum, or to the west in Darfur, or in the SE in the Blue Nile? Does not his position make difference scenarios more relevant?

          "Stop the war" - I couldn’t agree more.

  • 13 November 2011 22:31, by Master

    What you people are missing is this war is bigger than your illiterate ignorant population. You are being used for a bigger goal and scheme. All the events in the Middle East from the secession of South Sudan, to the rebellions in Libya, Somalia, war in Iraq and soon Syria and Sudan have all been planned many years ago. They American CIA chief admitted to this many years ago. 8 countries in yr

    • 13 November 2011 22:36, by Proudfoot

      It is easy to say that another said something. I would appreciate it very much if you could provide direction to an article that provides evidence of the American CIA chief stating as such.

      Also, I would be disappointed in the Sudanese (as well as the others that you mentioned) if they simply allowed themselves to be reduced to pawns.

      • 14 November 2011 01:02, by Sam.Eto

        Gen. Wesley Clark Reveals US Plan To Invade Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAS_q5TYkSg

        • 14 November 2011 01:52, by Proudfoot

          Very interesting, thank you.

          I am slightly speculative of how the video is obviously clipped together, but no doubt it is still a disturbing piece.

    • 13 November 2011 22:36, by Master

      Sudans government will eventually fall unfortunately. But not because of the people of Sudan but because of this Americo-Zionist movments push for the domination of the Middle East. The South is being built up to be a huge base in east africa to aid this control and pivotal for the next major war that will involve the new ’Islamic’ countries - Tunis, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Iran, Sudan & Somalia.

      • 13 November 2011 22:41, by Master

        This major war will see the USA being bogged down, defeated, its economy collapse and bring down the entire world financial system. But Israel will use its nuclear arsenal and ’save’ the Americans. When this happens all those Zionist Media, Banks and controlled regimes will declare Israel as the Superpower in the world after it establishes its new territory from the Nile to the Euphrates.

        • 13 November 2011 22:47, by Master

          Then all you delusional evangelicals can sing ’Halleluiah the saviours coming’ - but what & see the surprise. So South Sudan is a pawn played as part of a bigger puzzle. The SPLM elite know this and unfortunately use their own people, who will continue to suffer and remain hungry. Thats why Eto is right - you brainwashed SPLA/M supporters who are ethnically motivated dont want to hear anything.

          • 13 November 2011 22:48, by Master

            Dont waste you time Ali. Logic doesnt debate, he thinks he is smart by repeating the same racist and irrelavant answers. He would deny everything you say and call it fabrication and put his ’facts’ as truth. Sound familiar ! Zionist. Its the same propaganda and style that the Zionist medias use FOX etc. I wouldnt be suprised if he’s Nagib himself ! But i still think hes an infiltrator/mole.

            • 13 November 2011 22:50, by Proudfoot

              ... and isn’t it ironic that you blame Logic for attempting to appear smart by repeating the same answers when you yourself have just posted this exact remark at least three times?

            • 13 November 2011 22:54, by Master

              Our Prophet PBUH said - ’The Antichrist will be on earth for 40 days. A day like a year’ - that was when the British Empire ruled the world. ’A day like a month’ - thats when the Americans ruled the world. ’A day like a week’ - that likely to be when Israel will rule the world. ’And the remainer of his days like you and i’. Thats when he will appear to us and control you all.

              • 14 November 2011 02:01, by Proudfoot

                By suggesting that at any time the British, Americans, or Israelis "ruled the world" you discredit the God-given sovereignty that we should enjoy. Each individual has the ability to make his own decisions, to act as he/she would like. Claiming that another nation is in control of the government is an easy excuse for lack of active political involvement on your part.

                • 14 November 2011 03:39, by Sam.Eto

                  ’God-given sovereignty’ - thats my point. These powers have taken away any sovereignty from countries or individuals. Do you really thing these any country has the power to as it wills. If it is not the UNSC, its the IMF if not its the Zionist banks. Look at Greece - it no longer has any. But the third world countries lost it with the British empire.

        • 14 November 2011 09:43, by Logic

          loooool! I haven’t laughed so much in a long time.

          The same people who you claim are attempting to take over the Middle East, are in control of the Globe. So stop your nonsense about victimization, the only reason why they succeed every time, is because they exploit the divisions among us. If you stop being a racist bigot, then their job will be much harder.

          Its that simple.

  • 13 November 2011 22:48, by Proudfoot

    Sounds like a science-fiction book, do not you think, Master? Such a scenario is incredibly speculative and impossible to predict. Beyond that, if you want to seem even moderately reasonable when you argue such far-fetched ideas, then you must provide sources to validate your point.

    • 13 November 2011 23:00, by Master

      In these days proof doesnt mean anything. Its only what the mass media brainwashes your empty brains to believe. There is no Truth. All i can say is wait and see. When you stand before the lord for judgment - tell him no one told me !! Maybe you’ll remember this conversation. My proof will be when the world financial system & paper money collapses and the banks control you with a chip - Visa

      • 14 November 2011 02:04, by Proudfoot

        When I stand before the Lord, He will know my innocence by the blood that His son shed.

        Why do you insinuate that it is my brain that was empty to be filled by the mass media? I am open minded and critical of what you bring to the table. I search for the ounce of truth among the chaff.

        • 14 November 2011 02:06, by Proudfoot

          Please help me to understand:

          You both call upon the name of the Lord (God of the Christians or the Muslims?) and claim that there is no Truth (the capitalization of which implies you mean an ultimate and irrefutable truth).

          Can you explain how there would be no Truth, no absolute truth, in the presence of an omniscient entity?

  • 14 November 2011 03:46, by Sam.Eto

    That omniscient entity is one ! No other. When you start talking about son cousin or wife - you become no better then the pagans or the Greeks/Romans. Read your Scripture - you will not worship NONE / NO ONE - but I. God created man to test him. Each one of us will stand & answer for our deeds - its also in your books. So how can know your innocence by the blood that His son shed. Free pass?

    • 14 November 2011 03:50, by Sam.Eto

      You dont search for the ounce of truth among the chaff. You search for what is convenient, easy and acceptable to people - Not to God. If you believe the Scriptures are the words of god not just a history book. Why have you abandoned his rule. Common phrases these days that they use to insult Islam - These laws are barbaric and old. Did not think for a second who set these laws in all 3 books

      • 14 November 2011 05:14, by Master

        You try too hard Eto. They have eyes but they do not see, They have ears but they do not hear, They hearts but they do not understand. Anyone who goes to a priest for guidance or forgiveness and still believes in god must be delusional. If he is omniscient do you think he needs a priest or son. The 1 religion of god has been passed to man kind for thousands of years - people change it at will.

        • 14 November 2011 06:38, by Proudfoot

          I go to no priest for forgiveness, and the Son I speak of is the Son of God. I have no doubt that some, perhaps all of you, have different opinions. However, I have a right to state mine, and I guarantee you that I will do my best to refrain from insulting you, your beliefs, or your people, especially if you do the same for me. Sites such as this should be used for constructive arguments rather

          • 14 November 2011 06:39, by Proudfoot

            than to tear down your brothers.

      • 14 November 2011 06:35, by Proudfoot

        I am not entirely understanding your post.

        You accuse me of searching for the convenient, easy, and acceptable. How have you come to this conclusion about me in such a short time, with so little information of my character? I had no intent of insulting Islam, rather only to express my own view in a civilized manner.

        • 14 November 2011 06:39, by Proudfoot

          Sorry, this post was for Sam.Eto

    • 14 November 2011 06:33, by Proudfoot

      Jesus Christ, the son of God. One of the three in the Trinity. They are three in one, they are the same. No doubt we will all stand before God for our sins, but I believe that because of the prefect blood shed by Jesus Christ, my sins will be forgiven.

      I did not intend to insult or force my view, only to converse my opinion of judgement day with "master."

      • 14 November 2011 06:59, by Sam.Eto

        Proudfoot - I have no intention and by no means do i mean to insult you or your beliefs. I appreciate you interesting debate and salute you for keeping this civilized (unlike many).

        • 14 November 2011 07:05, by Sam.Eto

          Why? Why do you believe because Jesus Christ shed his blood, your sins will be forgiven. Is that in the bible? or did the priests tell you this. How & why should he answer for your sins. If they are one as you say. How can a god shed blood or die. If he died - how is he returning. Why be resurrected if he is a god and why have the jews claimed he isnt the awaited one - since they are linked.

          • 14 November 2011 07:09, by Sam.Eto

            A brief summery of islam. We are told of all the great prophets in history. We are ordered to respect all of them. We are told from Adam to Mohamed PBUH - there is one religion to mankind. To believe in one God and to worship him. This is the main test of humanity. We believe Jesus will return to earth and rule, but a human. If you are interested and have time listen to one lecture by Imran.

            • 14 November 2011 07:14, by Sam.Eto

              Imran Hosein: Islamic view of return of Jesus

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHg6kXnoBMA

              • 14 November 2011 14:24, by DeltaBravo

                TO SAM

                STOP YOUR COWARD WAY OF USING ISLAM TO SUPPORT YOUR POLITICAL AGENDA. IF WE USE RELIGION IN THIS WORLD, I THINK THE VERY POWERFUL COUNTRIES WOULD HAVE TAKE OVER THE ENTIRE WORLD WITHOUT ANY BLINK OF AN EYE. WE KNOW YOU ARAB IN KHARTOUM ALWAYS USE ISLAM TO BRAINWASH SUDANESE CITIZEN TO GO AND DIE WITHOUT ANY REASON. ASK TURABI AND WILL TEACH YOU MUCH ABOUT ISLAM.



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