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Two Sudans but the tasks of nation building remain the same!

By: Justin Ambago Ramba

August 7, 2011 — When President Omer Hassan al Bashir boarded his presidential plane back to Khartoum on the eve of the 9th July 2011 after having joined the people of South Sudan in their celebrations that saw the lowering of the flag of the Republic of Sudan and its replacement with the flag of the new republic of South Sudan, he knew that, that was it. He knew that he was a witness to the moment that not only is he no longer a president over that very soil where he stood, but also that neither him nor his delegation would be visiting that same spot any time in the future without first going through the lengthy processes of filling visa application forms and having to wait for somebody to decide whether to approve it or reject it.

On the whole this new development understandably is not limited to al Bashir as such, for it extends to affect many other people like myself who spent decades in high profile jobs and major academic achievements in national institutions in different parts of what today is the North Sudan. Many much so are those born across the political divide that can now only through similar procedural routes have access to their personal or family properties in lands only recently designated as foreign territory. Many will have to seek the assistance of their diplomatic missions acknowledging that they are no longer citizens in those parts as was the case prior to 9th July 2011.

So whether they would be happy with their new status when they make their first visit to North Sudan following the official secession of the South shouldn’t really be an issue to any South Sudanese. Nothing in all the above should sound any unfamiliar since our people have travelled vast and lived in foreign lands where they acquired jobs and properties. As I write, I now reside with my family of five in the United Kingdom, after fleeing the harsh realities of marginalisation wherever we were in Northern Sudan during the civil war and especially so under the Islamists rule of today. However in the UK my family and I enjoy full rights to the basics of life in a way no less to those native born. This is also true of other fellows from North Sudan who resided here even earlier than me and we all interact under the British Law which we find to an extent, accommodative to all.

Where I was born, Juba the capital of the republic of South Sudan life continues to ooze with a cosmopolitan atmosphere characteristic of a major trade centre that remains open to business involving persons from different parts of the world; however a historical fact remains unique that many businesses were and continue to be run by merchants from North Sudan. We are all glad that the leadership of the new republic has made it clear that people of North Sudanese origin will continue to do business and hold properties in South Sudan. Some who fulfil the conditions and opt to have South Sudanese citizenship will be offered citizenships per the constitution of the new country. Isn’t that civilized!?

Surprisingly though is the official position of the authorities in North Sudan who are slower to upgrade their judgements and levels of interaction so as to accommodate the new realities on the ground while at the same time not jeopardising the much needed good neighbours relationship. It was natural that South Sudanese be affected by the referendum result that favoured secession, however judging by previous precedence as was the case between the Sudan and Egypt before 1956, it can be seen that the North Sudanese policy makers have shown too much irrationality in some of their decisions.

There exists much similarity in the situation between how it was between Egypt and the Sudan before the later formal declared its independence. The Mahdist revolution was a movement to free Sudan from the Turkey-Egypt rule, which can be compared to the many other south Sudanese armed struggles like the Anya Nya or the SPLM/A to much extend. Egypt which instigated the Sudanese to call an end to the colonial rule expected the Sudan to chose unity with it when the British left, unfortunately it wasn’t to be for the very person in the centre of ‘the Unity of the Nile Valley’, Sayyed Ismail al Azhari on the first opportunity chose independence of sovereignty over unity with Egypt.

Al Azhari and his colleagues whose roles in confronting the Anglo-Egyptian rule can be compared to that of Dr. Garang and the SPLM/A vision of the’ New Sudan’, they didn’t hold a referendum to decide which way Sudan was to go, and obviously to avoid the possibility of a popular vote in favour of unity with Egypt, the very politician who was in the frontline campaigning for this unity showed a change of heart in the last minute when he declared the independence of Sudan from inside the parliament. How was this news received by Egypt is everyone’s guess, yet the official reaction from Cairo resembles nothing like what we are seeing today happening between Juba and Khartoum.

On January 1st 1956 there were thousands of Sudanese nationals serving in Egyptian institutions especially so in the Border Guards the Police Forces and Hotel Chefs, and Gate Keepers and many other private sectors. Non of those Sudanese where forced out of their jobs as we saw happened to South Sudanese following the results of the 9th January 2010 self determination referendum that came in favour of secession.

In Egypt following Ismail al Azhari’s declaration of Independence, the Egyptian Authorities reacted with a very high level of self respect and understanding and they accepted that decision as the choice of the people of the Sudan although it didn’t come out of a democratically conducted popular referendum as expected. Egypt gave the Sudanese in their work force the options of either choosing Egyptian citizenships or to remain as Sudanese nationals, but in both cases they remained entitled to their jobs, properties, residence with minimal or no alternation at all. There were none of these irresponsible and childish statements like denying people basics e.g. treatment to the extend of a certain Obeid a government minister threatening that South Sudanese remaining in the North Sudan will be denied even syringes and medical injections. This of course sent South Sudanese to imagine scenarios where midwives who attending their women in labour would be arrested for cooperating or being involved in illegal activities with foreign nationals with ‘persona non grata’ status..

The hostile attitudes shown by the North Sudan’s National Congress Party (NCP) a.k.a National Islamic Front (N.I.F.) politicians in addressing the post split South Sudan was based on a true reflection of their deeply seated frustration as if the poor South Sudanese who fled the civil war northwards were to blame for the regimes multiple failures. This is a malicious intent to undermine the huge contributions by the South Sudanese to make Khartoum the city that it is now. This modern City is what it is because of the Oil money from the Oil fields of South Sudan, and almost every brick in those tall beautiful buildings were soaked with the sweat of manual labourers who mainly hailed from the South.

Even in the absence of the million or so South Sudanese, Khartoum will still be predominant black, especially so in what has become known as ‘the black belt’, city suburb. The Nuba of South Kordofan, the black Africans of Darfur and the South Blue Nile together with the millions of others from the neighbouring Chad, Nigeria, Niger, Senegal who make the bulk of the working class in the city and the other big towns of North Sudan will continue to give that part of Africa its ‘ blackness’.

Now that officially we have two Sudans yet the tasks of nation building on both either remain the same, be it in the North or the South. For us in the new republic of South Sudan we have an obligation to participate with the international community in maintaining the global peace. In our new dealings with our northern neighbours we will as much as possible opt for more dialogue and diplomacy through the channels availed to us by our new sovereignty to address the much contentious issues of international borders or agreements. This we hope should also be the change in attitude in the North. Much of our dealings with the neighbours in Khartoum will no doubt continue to request the involvement of the various international institutions given the attitudes of the northern officials as shown above until such a time that sensible politicians take over there.

The split of Sudan into two is not the final solution in itself, but the solutions to those issues that led to this events are to be found in the lessons learnt by both sides if ever they were learnt. For the North Sudan, the elite may yet risk seeing a much small versions of their country if they don’t accept that the so-called ‘Islamic Civilization Project’ is both a failure and unrealistic.

‘The Islamic economy’, was another utter failure and any improvement that happened from 2000 on ward was due to the Oil money from the South and has nothing to do with the raised slogan of Islamism. Again the destructive pursuit of a purely Arabic speaking, Arabized and Islamised Sudan is another delusion. This kind of bigotry can only be realised by again relinquishing the whole of Darfur, the South Kordofan, and the Blue Nile regions. Those who find it difficult to accept the new map of Sudan can go ahead to imagine the map of a purely ‘Arabized Sudan’, after excluding the above mentioned areas.

Given the facts of ‘the climate change’, the desertification and droughts, North Sudan will continue to depend on its border areas with South Sudan for water, pasture and security. The Nile water agreement is another issue with a huge regional political impact. North Sudan will have to learn how to adjust to the facts on the ground and possibly learn from the much advanced Egypt that only good diplomatic relationship with South Sudan can guarantee for mutual co-existence. Without the least doubt, Khartoum’s behavior over the fees of transporting the South Sudan oil through the North’s territory is yet another ill-timed brinkmanship for which NCP/NIF will hugely regret.

As for the new republic of South Sudan, the challenges are multiples. But to start any sensible development, the new government must find more realistic ways of addressing the broader state of insecurity in the country. South Sudanese are the cause of most of their problems, even though nature and climate has its role as well. We have seen many rebel groups following the only general elections in our recent history, largely because we didn’t conduct ourselves well. In future worse things can still happen if the ruling party insists of the way it addresses issues of nominations, campaigns, voting, vote counting etc. it was badly done, and again those declared winners through fraud wanted to have it exclusively.

Democracy and elections are good as long as they are fairly conducted. On the other hand a clumsy democracy and sham elections can destroy the national fabrics of the state. Say you don’t want it and go for one party dictatorship and in places like South Sudan you are stuck with crazy nationwide rebellions. If we found it easy to condemn the North for failing to provide democracy, then now it us to bear the ultimate blame should South Sudan go bananas.

The ‘Old Sudan’, failed to hold as a country because the Northern elites sought to correct the issues of the Sudanese vast diversity by opting to eliminate it (diversity) altogether in favour of a single identity. Where is that country now? Non existent, and in fact ‘dismantled’, is the correct word. In south Sudan we need to do things differently, but sincerely recognising our diversity, and genuinely managing it as our reality. It is good to talk about fighting tribalism, but it only changes when you take actions. National Institutions have the capacity to eradicate tribalism by realising inclusiveness and fair representation. The basic criteria to qualify an institution as national are its national nature, mission and composition. You can have a national assembly quite easily because you by law request for representatives from all sections and parts of the country in a fair representation. This goes on to serve the nation well. However in other settings like having a national army without strictly stressing its inclusiveness at all levels betrays its claim of being national.

Our diversity can only be managed through brave decisions and policies which deliberately aim to include all sectors and segments of the society in nation building. If we really choose to fight tribalism by adopting a national inclusiveness then we can do it by making it a policy and a practice. Otherwise tribalism is what naturally happens in an African setting and unless there are clear directives to put limits to it, it is bound to flourish. The marginalization of segments of society which we are supposed to have walked away from by choosing independence over unity with the North should be fought by clearly defined policies. We are not in any way immune from any of the vices that we used to attribute to the Northerners, nor are we immune from the crisis that followed.

In conclusion one can say with much certainty that it is not the split but the lessons learnt from the split (why, the timing, associated and immediate events, how ………etc) that can offer the recipe for the viability of the two Sudans, with each independent in sovereignty, and both inter-dependent as good neighbors.

The author: Dr. Justin Ambago Ramba. Secretary General – United South Sudan Party (USSP). He can be reached at: [email protected] or [email protected]

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  • mohammed ali
    mohammed ali

    Two Sudans but the tasks of nation building remain the same!
    Ambago,

    ((to affect many other people like myself who spent decades in high profile jobs and major academic achievements in national institutions in different parts of what today is the North Sudan))

    ((after fleeing the harsh realities of marginalisation wherever we were in Northern Sudan during the civil war and especially so under the Islamists rule of today))

    Would you explain to me how could you have high profile jobs and major academic acievement in north Sudan and at the same time suffering from the reallities of marginalisation in north Sudan?! Doesn’t this sound hypocritical and far away from the truth!

    Did you really flee out Sudan or you went out of Sudan before this government came to power on schoolarship to pursue higher degree in medicine which you failed to achieve?!

    It is not true that north Sudanese are welcomed in the south . Thousands are forced out of their homes and properties, White nile state had to accommodate 4000 students coming from the north and build new schools for the new commers, southands of farmers were forced out of their farms and now they are being accommodated in Blue Nile state.On the other side , more than one million southerners still remain in Sudan and they are not willing to go the south despite threats and intimidation from the SPLA. Universties and schools are full of students from the South , who prefer to remain in north Sudan where they can at least find peace , security and human dignity far away from the SPLA anarchy, insecurity, starvation, hunger and marginalisation.

    There are no simillarities between the Anglo-Egyptian occupation of Sudan and the south when it was part of Sudan. This not true! NOBODY from Sudan invaded south Sudan throughout history. The South was annexed to Sudan by the British after Kenya and Uganda refused to accommodate you within their country.We did not draw these borders which made you part of Sudan. The independence of Sudan in 1956 went very smoothly, while you and your SPLA think that seperation is meant to hurt us motivated by tons of hatred and enemosity! Khartoum is black and will remain black in it’s heart and not the sourroundings. There are no white Sudanese, unless you want to measure our blackness photometrically. We are black and proud that we are black.South Sudanese are living in much more peace and security in Khartoum than what they could find in Juba. This why they donnot want to leave Khartoum and nobody is or will force them to go out of north Sudan. This is a very cheap propoganda serving people like to find their way through what is called humanterian organisations!

    The SPLA launched it’s new currency 9 days only after seperation against all previous agreement. When they found that was counterproductive they started screeming and calling to implement the agreement which they signed and rejected!!

    They shipped the first shipment of oil from Port Sudan after paying the customes, which has nothing to do with any oil sharing agreement, without any problem.When they failed to pay the customes to the port authorities on the 2nd shipment they started crying and making it a political issue.It is not! Any ship leaving the port has to pay it’s dues; this happened with oil shipments before and will happen in the future.

    We are willing for a true , trustworthy neighbourhood in good faith. People will suffer from any deterioration in relationship.Ordinary people who donnot care about your jubillation of the visa which you are going to offer to Basheer, who donnot know and donnot want know what is visa or residency, passport , who are living normal ” human” life not spoiled by the greed and ” inspiration” of the wealthy so called “intellectuals”, will suffer badly as they had suffered before.The choice is yours!

    People like you who secured for themselves and their families a luxury life through trading with the plight and misery of fellow humans, should think about preaching peace and reconcilation instead of dissiminating hate which will bring nothing more than more misery to the people whom they claim to defend!

    People in Sudan no

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  • Ngundeng
    Ngundeng

    Two Sudans but the tasks of nation building remain the same!
    RoSS has to quickly establish a stable relationship with it’s Northern twin and focus on it’s issues: 1) Ethnic security; Removing tribalism. 2) Using oil wisely; No hidden agendas, and 3) Investing in other resources; RoSS does not want to end up like Nigeria who’s country either boom/fell because of depending on one resource.

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  • AAMA
    AAMA

    Two Sudans but the tasks of nation building remain the same!
    Dear Mohamed,

    You made some good clarifications here, however, you have to accommodated the huge mentality difference between northerners and southerners and the fact that the south has also suffered different types of injustices regardless of the causes. I fact, I think the author hatred level has came down significantly after the separation. I don’t want to discuss the usual NCP/SPLM dilemma, but rather look at the article from a different citizen’s point of view.

    One of the main problems with southern intellectuals is how they identify the north. They like to picture the north as align Arab anti African group of people. They look for anything to prove such points because this is an emotional flare point that keeps the struggle going on and attracts sympathy from the world. However, the north, with all its affiliations with the arab world both cultural and ethnic, being black is a central part of every northerners soul. That’s why we get upset when they like to rid us from our black component and portray us as anti black African bigots. And, if you look carefully, you will see the problem, southerners think that northerners are not African enough because of their Arab affiliations and tend to forget that affiliating with Arabs doesn’t necessarily mean that you abandoned you African identity.

    North Sudan (even if you exclude the Blue Nile, Nuba, Darfur) will remain as African as it gets. You just have to accept how different Africans can be and that there are no standard African people in order to appreciate this fact.

    Peace.

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  • Ambago
    Ambago

    Two Sudans but the tasks of nation building remain the same!
    Dear Mohamed Ali and the likes!

    I will try my level best to answer your questions and also help you to understand the history of the Sudan which you are completely ignorant of.

    This is your first reaction to my article:

    You asked and I quote: “Would you explain to me how could you have high profile jobs and major academic achievement in north Sudan and at the same time suffering from the realities of marginalisation in north Sudan?! Doesn’t this sound hypocritical and far away from the truth!”

    OK Mr. Mohamed Ali: “This is not the first time that you have come out in a defensive mode as if you are the Governor General of Sudan. Anyway since you asked for some clarification, I too will take the benefit of that doubt. Yes I obtained an MD (Medical Doctorate) in Obstetrics and Gynaecology with flying colours from a Sudanese High Institution of Learning. But my worst nightmares started when I took up a job as a Consultant with the Ministry of Health. It was all marginalisation and often times outright discrimination for purely political reasons and religious bigotry from zealots of your type.”

    You asked again and I quote: “Did you really flee out Sudan or you went out of Sudan before this government came to power on scholarship to pursue higher degree in medicine which you failed to achieve?!

    And for your pathetic assumptions, I left the Sudan and my job as a Consultant Obstetrician & Gynaecologist in April 2004 and this rotten government came to power on June 3oth 1989. And what could that higher degree higher than Doctorate which I already had that I came out to look for? Better get your facts right lest you look like an imbecile.

    I hope that this information satisfy your doubts Mr. Thomas!
    I don’t know what level of education you attained, but your factual knowledge is sub-standard even for an average Sudanese school leaver. How can you be writing such cheap pieces like this?

    I quote you again: “This not true! NOBODY from Sudan invaded south Sudan throughout history. The South was annexed to Sudan by the British after Kenya and Uganda refused to accommodate you within their country.” This is what you wrote.

    Please Mohamed Ali: who was that most notorious slave traders of his time, Zubeir Pasha (Wad Rahma) who head of a big force of North Sudanese to establish slave camps in south Sudan and his name and his notoriety can still be traced back to places like Dem Zubeir in Western Bahr El Ghazal state, where slaves were brought from the entire region before being transported to Khartoum and the rest of the Arab world. Was it not an official invasion of South Sudan by northern Sudan under a northern Sudanese commander?

    The question of identity is a central one. While the overwhelming majority of North Sudan’s remaining citizens are Muslim — 96.7 percent, according to an official booklet published by the Ministry of Information days before South Sudan’s independence — the nation remains ethnically diverse.

    “If south Sudan secedes, we will change the Constitution and then there will be no time to speak of diversity of culture and ethnicity,” Mr. Bashir told supporters at a rally in the eastern city of Gedaref last year, weeks before the referendum in which south Sudanese overwhelmingly voted for independence.

    “Shariah and Islam will be the main source for the Constitution, Islam the official religion and Arabic the official language,” he said.

    Until you accept that there exists a real diversity in North Sudan and that your bigotry leadership who are now acting under the spell of the so-called “ the Just Peace” of the self proclaimed uncle of President Al Bashir, you are doomed.

    If you aren’t serious about what you write, other are!

    J.A.C. Ramba MD.

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  • mohammed ali
    mohammed ali

    Two Sudans but the tasks of nation building remain the same!
    Ambago,

    Well, I have never thought it is at all important to put here my academic qualifications.I wish I did. At least I would have detered you from lying!

    Certainly,there is higher qualifications for you MD, which is a local diploma recognized only in Sudan. It is only equavelant to part one MRCOG. You will only get an SHO job with your Dectorate even if you had been a consultant in Sudan.My SHO when I was working in UK before getting my FRCP and getting a consultant job was a Sudanese lady who had Medical Dectorate and was a consultant in Sudan!

    It is not true Dr.Justin that you flee from Sudan. It was a standered rule that when you get your MD in Obs& Gyne you will be send by the Ministry of Health to spend one year in UK to gain further experience. Bright doctors use this year to do MRCOG ” Member of the Royal College of Obestetrics & Gynaecology” This was the exam which you FAILED to do. I am not Mr. Thomas , Dr, Thomas the great Obstetrician from South Sudan died in UK when we were there!

    Your MD is not a recognized medical degree and you were trying to put some fake letters infront of your name which you scrapped recently. So…please do not speak about my ignorance!

    Zubair Basha wad Rahama was never a slave trader!Zubair Basha was a shrewd leader and was married to southerner leader.He was trying to build his own state depending upon his own power and capabilities. There was now way for him except to play it low with the British and the Turks. He was summoned to Cairo and was given a palace, title and a salary. At that time the British law prohibited slave trade? Was that a punishment to him. It was just and old white-man tactics to smear his reputation. Read ” history of Sudan” by Naom Shagour and you will see the real history of the man.Visit Al Sagay and you will see his grandchildren with the typical features and tallness as southerners.Again, Zubair was a single person and was not a state and he did not annex the south to us; he was not a state and he was still under the British rule!

    Slave trade was practised in Sudan .It was/is a disgrace. There is no slave trade in north Sudan now and there is no slaves.The only place where there is slave trade and slavery now is in South Sudan. It is a flourishing trade among the waring tribes of the RoS.

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  • Ambago
    Ambago

    Two Sudans but the tasks of nation building remain the same!
    Dear Mohammed Ali

    I have read your trash and still you haven’t got your facts right. Allow me to inform you that the MD certificate which you claim not to recognise is recognisable by the Sudan Medical Council headed by your fellow Physicians of the best academic and professional calibres. I haven’t claimed what I am not and this must sink well into your sick mind.

    I just want you to understand facts as there are and no room for assumptions and stereotyping. The “Islamist Regime” that you are trying to defend now wouldn’t have sent me anywhere on earth my dear lost fellow, and in the year I left the Sudan, the highly politicized Sudan Ministry of Health wasn’t sending any medical doctors abroad except may be for those party loyalists. You can be a FRCOG and it doesn’t make things any better for you, for if you insist to muddle facts on the assumption that your secretive personality can allow you to go away with it, then you are wrong.

    This is the background of your fellow Zubeir Rahma (Pasha) whom you want to distance the Northern Sudanese from:
    “ A Sudanese Arab slave trader in the late 19th-century, Al-Zubayr Rahma Mansur (Arabic: ?????? ???? ??????) (also Sebehr Rahma, Rahama Zobeir[1]) later became a pasha and Sudanese governor.

    His reputation as a nemesis of General Charles Gordon meant he was bestowed a near-mythic status in England, where he was referred to as “the richest and worst”, a “Slaver King” “who [had] chained lions as part of his escort”.[2][3]
    Born in 1830, Rahma came from the Gemaab section of the Ja’Alin, an Arab tribe from Northern Sudan.

    He began his large-scale business in 1856, when he left Khartoum with a small army, to set up a network of trading forts known as zaribas, focusing his efforts on slave trading and ivory sales.

    In 1871, at the height of his power, Rahma was visited by Georg Schweinfurth, who described the slave trader’s court as “little less than princely” [4] Two years later, he was granted the title of Governor over Bahr el Ghazal in return for an annual tribute of ivory.

    Eventually Rahma controlled 30 zaribas, and earned the titles of bey and Pasha, after allying himself, and his lieutenant Rabih az-Zubayr, with the khedive Ismail Pasha briefly during the invasion of Darfur, where he led the southern forces. He was referred to as “the Black Pasha”, and ultimately wished to become Governor General.[1]
    References
    1. Hake, Alfred Egmont. “The Story of Chinese Gordon”, 1884.
    2. Fuller, O. E. Brave Men and Women Their Struggles, Failures, And Triumphs, 1884
    3. Lang, Jeanie. “The Story of General Gordon” circa. 1900
    4.Heart of Africa, vol. ii., chap. xv.
    ^ a b Beresford, John

    N.B: However I can see that you have the typical Zubeir-like attitudes of trying to manipulate facts to suit your immediate interest – characteristic of someone used to patronising others. It is all gone now my friend.

    Justin Ambago Ramba MD.

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  • Ambago
    Ambago

    Two Sudans but the tasks of nation building remain the same!
    Dear Mohammed Ali
    I have read your trash and still you haven’t got your facts right. Allow me to inform you that the MD certificate which you claim not to recognise is recognisable by the Sudan Medical Council headed by your fellow Physicians of the best academic and professional calibres. I haven’t claimed what I am not and this must sink well into your sick mind.
    I just want you to understand facts as there are and no room for assumptions and stereotyping. The “Islamist Regime” that you are trying to defend now wouldn’t have sent me anywhere on earth my dear lost fellow, and in the year I left the Sudan, the highly politicized Sudan Ministry of Health wasn’t sending any medical doctors abroad except may be for those party loyalists.

    You can be a FRCOG and it doesn’t make things any better for you, for if you insist to muddle facts on the assumption that your secretive personality can allow you to go away with it, then you are wrong.

    This is the back-ground of your fellow Zubeir Rahma (Pasha) whom you want to distance the Northern Sudanese from:

    “ A Sudanese Arab slave trader in the late 19th-century, Al-Zubayr Rahma Mansur (Arabic: ?????? ???? ??????) (also Sebehr Rahma, Rahama Zobeir[1]) later became a pasha and Sudanese governor.

    Born in 1830, Rahma came from the Gemaab section of the Ja’Alin, an Arab tribe from Northern Sudan.

    However I can see that you have the typical Zubeir-like attitudes of trying to manipulate facts to suit your immediate interest – characteristic of someone used to patronising others. It is all gone my friend.

    Justin Ambago Ramba MD.

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  • mohammed ali
    mohammed ali

    Two Sudans but the tasks of nation building remain the same!
    Ambago,

    I have never said it is not recognized by the Sudanese Medical Council; it is not recognized by the British Medical Council ; who could exempt from part one MRCOG and you go directly to part 2. Most of the MD holders , if not all, pass their membership of the royal cllege exam and become holder of the prestigeous and internationaly recognized MRCOG. Your problem is that you failed to pass this exam! This is not a problem for any government or any Jallabi. The Jalaba had educated you up to the highest possible level within the country.Very few jalabba had reached this stage.The vast majority of the “marginalized” jalabba did not reach this stage of education, but you were allowed to reach this stage with the money of the jalabba tax-payer.So to claim that you flee from Sudan because of marginalization is a big lie; you were not marginalized. You were previlged and spoiled by university of Khartoum with free food and free education!

    I have read all what was written by the British colonolizers who enslaved all of Africa with apartheid system in different places and I donnot believe in their propoganda to have a moral excuse for ” enslaving” the whole country. Richard Gordon Basha record in China is well known.I know our history from our own sources. I know the family of Zubair Basha. Jamoeya tribe has 3 branches ” jemeeab, sororab, fetehab” live on the western side of the nile “Omdurman’ from ” fetehab to sororab. Zubair Basha , who had a simillar title like Gordon Basha!, is from Sororab on the west side of the nile but his family extends to estern side of the nile in ” al sagai” His sons and grandsons are typically very tall Sudanese with features inherited from their mother who was from South Sudan.He was never a slave trader.

    As I said before slavery did exist in north Sudan.It is no longer present in north Sudan. It only exist and flourishing in South Sudan among the waring tribes where it had been practised there for centuries among the waring tribes and clans.

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  • Ambago
    Ambago

    Two Sudans but the tasks of nation building remain the same!
    Dear Mohammed Ali
    Of course you know Zubeir Wad Rahma’s family. How can you not when you are his blood descendant? As for University of Khartoum, I did not attend its undergraduate Medical School, nevertheless I got a MB BCh from a more prestigious Medical School of Kasr Al Ainy (founded 11/3/1827) – and I hope that a basic medical degree from this old school is recognised by your kindness. My late father was not only a Sudanese tax payer but also over saw that his community paid the taxes.

    And although I had nothing to do with what sounds from your expression “a national fattening scheme”, I respect all those colleagues who graduated from there and I never held grudges against them for some food that they ate.
    Slowly you are beginning to make sense on some issues and at least you now recognise the Sudanese MD, otherwise you would be in denial of efforts brought about by very dedicated people of academic authority. But I WAS NEVER SENT HERE BY YOUR government of bigots. I don’t hold the MRCOG which you are obsessed with, not because I couldn’t make it as you erroneously concluded. I never intended to either, as I am already perusing an equally fascinating career in Sexual and Reproductive Health a relatively new discipline that tackles Women Health from a modern and more efficient and preventive aspect and appropriate for my plans to relocate to South Sudan as both a clinician and a community Women’s Health Physician and academician. This time I will hopefully find your approval because of being classed now as British educated, isn’t that the case?.

    In the end you are wrong for your morbid stereotyping. And your uncle Zubeir Wad Rahma was not a shrewd politician as you claimed out of inconsistency. He was a slave trader – and thus committed crimes against humanity. You were wrong when you defensively said that no northerner invaded South Sudan.

    His sons and descends whom you claim to be in resemblance of south Sudanese because they are tall, isn’t an intellectual argument either. The late Zubeir Mohammed Saleh was a tall northern Sudanese, of a Nubian descent – was he also to claim southern maternal lineage?

    Now I have put my case to rest with much humility. I cannot go on with you on this public website, but you are welcomed to write to me on any of my e-mail addresses, should you still want to continue personal.
    Dr. JAC Ramba.

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  • mohammed ali
    mohammed ali

    Two Sudans but the tasks of nation building remain the same!
    Ambago,

    I do know Zubair Basha Rahama’s family members and I would have been very proud if I know him personnaly. Zubair Basha was a black man who didn’t to be white unlike you , trying in vain to be white in the era of ” the white became black” ! Those who “instilled” on your brain that Zubair Basha was slave trader still in the 21st century think that being black is synonymous with undecency and thuggery. Sometimes one can find an excuse for them as they could still see some blacks would love to lick their shoes!

    Even if you graduated in Egypt you would have recieved your schoolarship from the Sudanese Embassy like any other student.

    My problem with you is all about ” grudges” and hatred and it is not at all about politics.It is not about a government or a political party as you are trying to shape up things, it is about jalabba,Arabs and mandokorrow.

    Still I can tell no northern Arab state had ever extended it’s terretorial to south Sudan.The Two main Islamic states in the present Sudan “al funj or alsultana al zarga in Sennar or Al fur sultanat in Al Fashir” were purely African and had never extended to the south. The South after being closed to any interaction with north was annexed to the north by the british and not by the Arabs or Muslims. You are intelligent enough to know that was done to serve the interest of the British rulers to stop the penetration of Islam into their “properties” in east and central Africa. The idea of that human beings are equal would have threaten their supremacy.Nigeria wasnot invaded by Arabs, neither was Guinea, Mali, Snegal but Islam was the power which drove the colonolinzers out of these countries.

    Having said all this we wish you all the best in your new country.Go back to your home people do not need any new qualifications , your MD is more than enough and particulary in your field it is very much needed. Forget about jalabba and politics and if you want you will give them the help they really need. You can help yourself as well as the money you can make is much more than you are getting now on top of the prestiege and respect which you will get!

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